@unpopop LOOKING FOR HELP ON POLITICS TO CONVINCE ME (I'M WILLING) ABOUT HOW IT WORKS:

A few comments and even adjustments, at least in my view -

Politicians are Businessmen.
This is the main thought, but I try convince myself as I go down the page and be softer than I am initially:

Politicians and Government Politics (is different to our personal politics).
Government Politics is just another soft-form of leadership and coercion in my current eyes using the roots that push things out and get them implemented (for Government itself). Being lead and killing time is a main process or just how things happen to happen (in my eyes) which is not direct enough as change and always leans toward these things- they (the mentality/the group) just keep measuring what they can do directly and the rest is slow increment and re-invented snakes later... much like the grandma game when things creep up on you when you turn your back, when you go to work or are busy with life and they are still there trying to do what they first signalled they wanted, even faster perhaps when you're not looking or simply the attack is to attack everything (this is a definition of Government perhaps!). No good, for everything, eventually, everything bad.

The position of politician seems either by definition or de-facto a kind of worker for that (please correct me) and they are haggling or softly grouping / representing people while mainly serving those that pay them / their heads / their parliament / their hierarchy / their government and all the swore in legal stuff probably in place like lawyers that when sworn in sweat never to go against the system. Probably the usual backroom / backdoor stuff also (life is not exactly transparent in all business I guess and maybe that's unfair to rope Politics also- would helps see all the 'books' and accounting).

Each politician represents a larger group and most have no contact of affiliation with those politicians but anyway it assumes control or representation of them.
Government definition #2 perhaps!

I hope someone can correct me in a way I can find the positives to increment...
I think Politics is actually a sport I could play but like watching cricket or train-spotting (which I can understand now) people might not understand and be repulsed against participation until the right person comes a long and shows how one ball game is very similar to the other or game dynamics interesting like a b c d.... but each sport does have it's fun once you know them of course... which is what I ask for and my aim with politics... but doesn't help that often I don't get a reply for these types of people.

So anyway as I see it now, rather than the people controlling politicians they are being represented by them in-directly and not enforced by the people.
Other points hope someone can make me eat my words afterwards:
Politicians probably get paid either way.
Politicians are in a limited system as many people looking our for their job MOER THAN ANYTHING LIKE ANY OTHER JOB.

BUT.... I'm really impressed with Pirate Party (in various countries...) although the name is probably the more paradoxical / genius turn off for people as they might not be able to bring themselves to say I vote for Pirates :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party
That kind of amazing multi-meaning paradox is like existentialism... or maybe the badly labelled software that eventually is too great to ignore.
You will wonder about voting for a black flag logo (genius!) and then realise the The Pirate Bay type origins (see notes on Wikipedia) are nothing but honourable... if a bit scruffy looking sometimes (the knowledge and output has all increased 1000% it seems)

You said:
> So such leaders invariably end up being labelled bad.
> No matter if they are really bad or not.

I agree there, I'll label them badly because I believe xyz and measure the system to little of what I know (the system of people and government incentives/mechanism in place) which isn't totally correct - it's a long undoing of the system so all will look bad but can be perhaps honourable in this long slog. I will lean towards negative descriptions but I'm wrong to say all are bad and not just a mixture of less bad things like parents that don't know how political money is and for the war machine but end up growing kids totally on it and expect you to ignorantly do the same at 'whatever' job is available 'just for now'.
The system basically over time has been developed in such a way that it's difficult and ultimately controllers are not interested in humanity but pricing stuff. (over-simplified version there to cut myself short)

but having said that and I am gaining confidence in people more, even those in politics.
Those who can could talk about how it work more... so I don't have big gaps in my knowledge or have concrete example without battling anyone about it at the same time.