@BarboftheBay They cannot even agree with their own party members. What chance do we them working with dems for the good of the country? Next two years will be a disaster for USA. They cannot govern, nor do they have any interest in governing. What a shit show!
I'm sure Republicans would be happy to work with Democrats to get the House open, but so far Democrats have made statement after statement saying they were eager to keep the drama going, voting alongside the Republican fringe choosing to keep the House closed.
That the Democrats have been voting unanimously only gives weight to their public statements.
Once there is actual legislation at stake that directly impacts constituents, hopefully there will be more pressure for them to work across the aisle, though.
@volkris @fevzi are you serious? did you start following this country's politics yesterday? the Dems are already helping by putting up the most economically conservative member of their caucus. the onus is on Republicans to vote for Jeffries, who will gladly cut the corporate tax rate on their behalf.
I think I'm just more aware of the House rules and procedures than you are. It's not so much about politics as it is about the ways the rules function.
Because Republicans have a majority, slim as it may be, for Jeffries to be speaker would lead to non-stop issues as he needs majority votes that he wouldn't be able to get.
Remember, the Speaker can't pass legislation on his own. Heck, he can barely even get legislation to the floor on his own.
Jeffries would not be able to operate the House committee processes so it would be messes like this every single day until the end of the session.
You might be missing that this isn't just about the individual but also about the rules by which the House is to operate.
With the Democrats' votes as they are, the fringe Republicans have been able to change the rules of the chamber in the ways they want, ensuring that this small group of clowns will have far outsized power that they absolutely would not have had otherwise.
The rules could have left them isolated and powerless, but the Democratic strategy put them not only front and center now, but also dug into the rules that will effectively give them a veto over Democrat input going forward.
@volkris Rules by which the house operates? LOL, GOP could not give a shit about the rules. They have let insurrectionist deface and actually defecate in the house. GOP have let traitor Trump off the hook for his treasonous acts.
Dems should not help GOP with the mess they crated. Not unless McCarthy bends over and let Pelosi or someone her choosing give it to him.
Yes, the rules by which the House operates.
It's fine if the GOP doesn't give a shit about the rules, but the rest of the world does, and none of their legislation will be valid if not passed as per the rules of the chamber.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/HMAN-117/xml/HMAN-117.xml
@volkris I do not see your point. Are you saying unless Dems help McCarthy the rules will be broken? GOP has the majority and unless they use political capital to buy favor from Dems, Dems should not lift a finger.
No, the reason rules won't be broken is because if they break the rules their legislation is invalid and the courts will all throw it out and it will just not count towards anything at all.
For legislation to count it has to have been passed following the rules of the chamber.
It's like, the reason a random representative can't just declare a bill passed on his own and expect that to count is because it would not have been passed following the rules.
The rules decide how legislation can be passed.
Or in other words, anything that happens outside of the rules is technically not part of the House of Representatives.
