@csgordon@zirk.us @Npars01 @Clackable@tldr.nettime.org @stopgopfox@libretooth.gr @Mastopoet @GreenFire

No.

The FairTax would increase the cash in peoples' pockets, so people who are in debt and are cash poor would end up with more resources to address that problem.

Remember that the FairTax also eliminates the taxes taken out of a person's paycheck, increasing their take home pay.

It would be an immediate boost to stagnant wages, since you bring that up in particular.

@volkris @csgordon @Clackable @stopgopfox @Mastopoet @GreenFire

A sales tax would *not* boost stagnant wages. A sales tax system deepens indebtedness.

Payroll taxes pay for social security & unemployment insurance.

Eliminating the income tax collection system eliminates the funding for these programs. Which is the point.

Republican billionaire donors want to eliminate the entire social safety net, including social security and Medicare.

@Npars01 @volkris @csgordon @Clackable @stopgopfox @GreenFire

exactly, the "fair tax" is a libertarian way to protect the rich from paying their fair share for supporting the society that allows them to make the money they make.

@Mastopoet @volkris @csgordon @Clackable @stopgopfox @GreenFire

Corporations rely on a whole host of public services and infrastructure that they are reluctant to pay for, yet come from taxation.

An educated, literate work force from public education.

Subsidized international highway system.

Airports. Ports. Railways.

@Npars01 @volkris @csgordon @Clackable @stopgopfox @GreenFire

yes, in fact, a close look at a system of UBI, single payer health care, no cost to student higher education and a system that strongly encouraged marginalized folk to pursue whatever career might appeal to them, would actually lower the tax burden on citizens and corporations over time

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@Mastopoet @Npars01 @csgordon@zirk.us @Clackable@tldr.nettime.org @stopgopfox@libretooth.gr @GreenFire

Wow, I just want to point out in response to this one is that no cost student higher education is highly, highly regressive, ending up asking the poorest to help fund educations that help the best off make a lot more money.

Any economically progressive stance would completely reject that sort of strategy.

@volkris @Npars01 @csgordon @Clackable @stopgopfox @GreenFire

Ok, this is an ignorant post. You seem to think the poor choice to not get a higher education, for reasons other than cost. The poor would get the most direct benefit from no cost to student higher education, though, as I said, in the end
, all taxpayers would benefit from a wider base of highly educated workers and citizens. Poor people don’t go to college because they can’t afford it!

@Mastopoet @Npars01 @csgordon@zirk.us @Clackable@tldr.nettime.org @stopgopfox@libretooth.gr @GreenFire

There is this unchallenged mythology out there that spending time in classrooms is necessarily beneficial to the student.

It's not.

But educational institutions do enjoy selling that story, even as students may find themselves unable to gain employment based on their certificates, and find themselves having wasted all that time, at least.

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