You see how there's a difference between saying slavery was good and saying that slaves developed skills that could be applied for their personal benefit?
Those are absolutely not the same positions.
@volkris @InkySchwartz @futurebird Furthermore, enslaved people brought skills to the New World. You’re making the racist assumption that Africans are animals who didn’t have civilizations of their own. Africans knew a lot more about how to make subtropical land that is the southern United States agriculturally productive than Europeans.
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No.
Every person who has been forced to do something learns something from it. What is the point of pointing that out?
@futurebird @volkris @InkySchwartz he’s gaslighting. “See, you learned from your abuser so it can’t be all bad!” Africans already had skills. They didn’t need to be beaten, tortured, raped, and had their families taken away to learn new ones.
Can you quote a mainstream conservative saying otherwise?
Again, it seems like you're arguing against a stance that isn't being taken, arguing against a strawman.
@volkris @futurebird @InkySchwartz Fucking DeSantis says this. Every conservative in Florida says this! But you are being willfully obtuse by quibbling over semantics. You are arguing in bad faith and always have. You keep whitesplaining genocide and slavery to us, spitting out what is said with either no knowledge or no concern over historical context. Must be nice to be so privileged that you can live in a context-free universe and not pay the consequences. Go ahead and pal around Nazis and debate them. Try to befriend them and convince them to drop their genocidal hatred. Go be their useful idiot. Don’t come crying to me when it bites you in the ass, and it will.
Please quote him saying this.
You say DeSantis and all of the other conservatives say this, so please quote them.
Because all of the reporting that has been cited says otherwise.
What do you know about the: 1906 Atlanta Race Riot
1919 Washington, D.C. Race Riot
1920 Ocoee Massacre
1921 Tulsa Massacre and the 1923 Rosewood Massacre?
How would you describe these events?
I mean, that just agrees with them.
What's the point of pointing it out? I don't know, if nothing else, showing that sides can come together on points of common agreement?
I'm not here to judge WHY you're agreeing. I'm just interested that you are agreeing with them now.
@volkris @InkySchwartz @futurebird @cadenza no, i see how you're pointing out a trivial and pointless difference and pretending it matters. If this were a legal case, and we were doing statutory interpretation, you would have an argument (that you would likely lose, depending on a lot of things.) But this isn't a legal case, and I don't have to take serious you pretending these minor linguistic differences matter.
This says a lot about you.
You're looking only at the literal content of the assertion, and not at the structure of the discussion which would position that assertion as a point worth making.
YES! I am looking at exactly what is being taught and what is being proposed, and I am not looking at any sort of theory behind why they would teach it, or any theory of motivation or conspiracy or any other abstraction.
I honestly don't care why they would be teaching something true. All I care about is that they are teaching something true.
@volkris @InkySchwartz @futurebird THEY. FUCKING. ARE!!!! Or are you going to be the dweeb who’s going to say Auschwitz couldn’t be all bad because Arbeit Mach Frei?