People complain about the #fediverse because there is a chance they will have to move instances. That is true but the advantage is that you have the choice and means to do so. And you won't ever have to convince your fediverse friends to move elsewhere because they all come with you. And #Firefish even allows you to transfer your old posts over there unlike mastodon. People need to stop thinking of #Mastodon as the fediverse. Its the biggest one because it has the sexiest marketing, but it is one in a long line of different fediverse platforms, and there will continue to be better evolutions that wont require a loss of a single friend to move over, especially if you disagree with your instance provider ethically, something impossible to do with corporate owned social media.

@anubis2814

Well it's not quite so perfect.
Parts of moving instances, like the redirect from the old instance, still rely on the old instance.

And if you're leaving the old instance because of either technical issues or flat out abuse from its administrators, it's hard to rely on that good faith cooperation.

This is just part of the design of Fediverse, unfortunately.

@volkris Its not perfect but of course nothing is, but of course neither is the corporate model. I believe Firefish and I know Friendica doesn't rely on redirection from old instances.

@anubis2814

Redirection is part of ActivityPub, though.

If you know of someone existing on a certain instance, you have no choice but to go to that instance to find their new address if they move.

It's a fundamental part of Fediverse, can't be avoided.

@volkris Not on Friendica, you will import people who follow you and add them. I believe its the same for Firefish now.
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@anubis2814

No, this is about the people who follow you.

They won't know your new address without the redirect, kind of like needing the postal service to forward your mail to your new house.

Yeah, you export and import the list of people you follow, but it's the people looking for you that become the issue.

@volkris Yes that's what I mean. It connects people who follow you as well, at least that's how it appeared last time I moved hosts on both of them.

@anubis2814

What happens behind the scenes is that the instance that you're leaving sends notifications to people who have subscribed to received those notifications.

And if you think about it, it has to be this way, or else I could set up another account and just claim to be you in your new home. The old instance has to be the one to send the notification to prove that it's legit.

@volkris Friendica is a sibling to Hubzilla which uses nomadism. Friendica has a much more primitive version of this. If you download your file and upload your credentials to your new server, the old account name ceases to function automatically and that name is not available to anyone on that server unless all data was lost and they had to do a fresh install
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