Here someone is challenging my use of pro-fascist to describe the dead bird site. "Pro-fascist? Really?"
Yes, really.
-- Elon personally intervened to get the pro-Nazi, pro-Hitler, anti-semetic Kanye West reinstated.
-- Twitter is a haven for groups like White Lives Matter California, an organization the Southern Poverty Law Center has designated a hate group.
-- Musk has threatened to sue researchers tracking hate speech on the platform
-- The dead bird paid Andrew Tate $20k and End Wokeness $10k.
-- It paid $16k to Ian Miles Cheong, a far-right user has used Twitter to falsely identify an innocent Black man as the “number one suspect” in the shooting of two police officers
-- It has paid QAnon influencer Jacob Creech.
-- Elmo has called for the the QAnon shaman who particpated in the Jan. 6 riot to be freed.
-- He has defended the Jan 6 rioters, saying they were peaceful.
-- He reinstated Michael Flynn.
I could go on an on, but I would burn up way too much time because there are so many more examples.
My point is: Twitter most definitely welcomes, encourages and even pays for far-right extremist views that include anti-semitism, support for Hitler and nazis, and support for an illegal riot that saw multiple members of the Capitol Police brutally killed.
I stand by my description of Twitter as "pro-fascist."
@dangoodin I guess you could go on and on but if those are the best arguments you have, they're not really making your case.
You're generally describing the site taking a neutral approach to content, which is arguably anti-fascist.
You're complaining that the site isn't imposing its values, isn't dictating and strongarming, and that just doesn't jive with your claim that there's fascist things going on.
You can stand by your description all you want, but your argument undermines your claim.
@volkris @dangoodin a tolerant person does not tolerate ideologies that require the subjugation or murder of others. There is no paradox, tolerance is conditional on reciprocity.
@theothersimo that line of argument always struck me as pretty flawed, not because it's a paradox, but because it's logically contradictory.
Yes, a tolerant person tolerates.
No, there's no particular reason to pursue the contradiction for the sake of some reciprocity condition.
Instead it sounds like accepting a weaker claim for the sake of pursuing bias confirmation.
In other words, I would say that if you believe reciprocity is so important then let's just be honest and flat out say you are giving up tolerance for the sake of that goal.
@volkris The goal of tolerance is for the maximum number of people to enjoy the greatest possible degree of freedom. Allowing fascists to organize and publish kill lists deprives others of the freedom to not be killed by fascists. So I am absolutely throwing “tolerance” as an abstract personal virtue in a fucking dumpster when it comes to the goal of choosing to use a website that doesn’t pay Nazis to post incitement to genocide.
@theothersimo if that's your goal of tolerance then it's the wrong tool for the job.
It's like saying the goal of riding this bike is to get across the country as quickly as possible. That may indeed be your goal, but you should consider using a car or a plane instead, as the bike isn't so great at traveling quickly.
Allowing fascists to organize and such is tolerant. One may be understandably opposed to those things, but that's the reason to own intolerance.
YES! Throw tolerance in the fire! It's not what you're really after, so why insist on claiming to be tolerant here?
@volkris if my neighbors want to start a neighborhood library, a mutual book-lending society, with the goal of maximizing the opportunities of everyone in the neighborhood to read as many different books as they want, eventually we’re going to have to either expel from the club Steve, who wants to burn every book that mentions Jews or LGBTQs, or allow a phony virtue to destroy the higher purpose.
@theothersimo yep, so proudly throw tolerance in the fire because being intolerant of Steve is more important than promoting tolerance.
Why claim to be tolerant when tolerance would have you tolerate such a person in your midst?
Forget tolerance. Kick Steve to the curb!
