Israel-Hamas war live: Israel may have ‘security responsibility’ for Gaza for indefinite period, says Netanyahu; Israel marks one month since Hamas attacks
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/nov/07/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-gaza-security-responsibility-for-gaza-netanyahu-palestine
So this is about control of Gaza now, ?
@zleap There's been talk of that for over a week, who will rule over Gaza. It would appear that Palestinians will not be given any say. Plus Israel almost certainly wants control; see:
https://www.okdoomer.io/theres-no-lesser-evil-or-even-a-slower-collapse/
It seems that Israel would like to just displace 2.1 million people and take over what is now Gaza but ultimately the west bank.
The west will of course just let this happen, the middle east won't let it happen and there seems to be a Millions of people, not just Muslims who will quite rightly take that side.
@zleap The US will take the side of Israel, and it can and will exert pressure on Arab nations. But yes, I expect it will be messy
It will be even more messy if we don't stop burning carbon, the worlds climate will collapse much quicker.
@zleap Very much so, tragically. But I see no *real* sign that anyone is working to do anything meaningful. Quite the opposite.
I made a blog post which I need to re-publish
http://personaljournal.ca/paulsutton/what-do-we-get-from-crude-oil-part-3
so these products were listed on an info graphic, which seems to now come up with a 404 but i downloaded it at the time.
if we can as a collective take each item on the list and find out how it is made from oil, what it is used for and then work out if it can be made without oil, then link all that info together it may also help
PVC can be made in other ways it is just more energy intensive so that is out. What products could we do without fully (much harder to do in a few cases)
@zleap wow, that's awesome! Do that as a pinnned post. ;-)
I will re publish and ask for direct help with it, but good idea on pinning
No problem and yes it has been the same for me, It is nice to have deeper level discussions.
@zleap Boosted - FWIW. :-)
@zleap Yep, pin it once you've done that. It may not get a *lot* of extra views, but it will get some, as I have seen from my own pinned posts.
OK, bed calls. I'd like to thank you for the great exchange over the last few hours. Very much thought-provoking. Thank you :-)