@mangeurdenuage @coolboymew it’s about as much micro-biology as the living blood droplet analysis under microscope people that point out random things and claim they’re hostile bacteria or fungi. Both try to resemble actual micro-biology but would be massively worse problems than the typical for altmed superposition of quite bad and fixable by diet and supplements, were they true.

@Amikke @coolboymew
> the living blood droplet analysis under microscope people that point out random things and claim they’re hostile bacteria or fungi
tf are you talking about ? There are people doing that ?

@mangeurdenuage @coolboymew yeah, and they’re as convinced that it’s legitimate micro-biology as you are about the leaky gut thing. Altmeds are sneaky.

@Amikke @coolboymew
>as you are about the leaky gut thing
Leaky gut is mainly about digestion, regenerating or optimizing your stomach to break down food, and when I say the stomach I mean also the micro biology that lives in there that will either help/accelerating breaking down elements or break down elements you couldn't do on your own.
My curiosity about this started when I got a Biology professor from Lyon who made Comté do a lecture to me.
And more recently via the book gaps. All of it correlates heavily with my own knowledge of plant/soil microbiology/symbiosis and my testings on myself.

>Altmeds are sneaky
It's not an altmed, please don't put such words in my mouth.

@mangeurdenuage @coolboymew I don’t see where any of this is putting words in your mouth. I have a general idea what “leaky gut” is about, it’s about the same things as most other popular altmeds – claiming a nonsensical process (leaky gut lol, if it was actually leaky you’d be dying of sepsis) as guilty for a whole bunch of vague food-related issues in a way where you can blame any random thing on it and feel reassured when either pure placebo or coincidentally switching to a diet that’s healthier for other reasons helps.

Homeopathy is similar, the core is obviously nonsense but if you do believe it and experience the placebo effects you can talk all about how it matches your knowledge about how medicine works and your experiences. It’s more obvious (water memory lol), but that’s about it, the modus operandi is the same.

@mangeurdenuage @coolboymew and I assure you, you can find a lot of quack doctors that seem professional but push homeopathy. You have to dig very deep in the altmed cesspool to find something so ridiculous that this won’t apply. It’s basically a constant of society, wherever there’s sickness there’s altmed and wherever there’s altmed there’s quack doctors pushing it.

@Amikke @coolboymew It's crazy that I don't find these people.

@Amikke @coolboymew
>I don’t see where any of this is putting words in your mouth
Sorry if I seemed aggressive, I was frustrated that I thought you packed me into a negative package of people.

>you’d be dying of sepsis
Indeed. But what I was referring was about a lack of symbiosis which should normally be there, in the gut, which can result in various symptoms.
Misunderstandings due to our different first initial definition of the words.

>for a whole bunch of vague food-related issues in a way where you can blame any random thing on it and feel reassured when either pure placebo
Indeed. But you can't put aside that some food/plants do not have effects on the human body, even modern medicine is still dependent on the plant/fungi world for it's production or at least research since molecules can be synthesized for better or worse.

>or coincidentally switching to a diet that’s healthier for other reasons helps.
I agree.

>Homeopathy is similar, the core is obviously nonsense but if you do believe it and experience the placebo effects
There's some truth but there's also some unknowns and misunderstandings. I'm not saying that giving you fake sugar will cure you, obviously it wont, but in some non nonthreatening cases immediate treatment isn't a positive solution either, the human body is itself composed and living with multi organic lifeforms and throwing nukes in it often isn't recommended. Depending on one's own resistance one should try anything else that isn't placebo before resorting to a more radical method.
As for homeopathy there's also a big issue of the definition of it in the population, years ago for me homeopathy was treatment based on medical plants, and all the people around also have that definition. So when you say that Homeopathy is nonsense to 90yo who got treated via medical plants they'll also dismiss you as full of shit.

>It’s more obvious (water memory lol)
I recall hearing water memory some time ago. It was Luc Montagnier who wrote a book about it. Idk what it is about tbh.
I won't defend something I have no clue of what it is about but I'll add something about encouraging research for something that can seem ridiculous because some crackpots made noise.
About ~four years ago when I go more into soil micro biology I stumbled on some stuff about "energy of the universe exchanged in the soil" and immediately dismissed it as hippy garbage, little did I know that under that pile of lsd made nonsense I much later discovered research about how EMFs in the soil can stimulate/inhibit cellular capacities to exchange ions and that such emfs strength are directly related to the soil's mineral composition, and that's the reason why some volcanic minerals like basalt are heavily liked by the said people.
Anyway, what I want to point out is that this field of research is underdeveloped even tho the potential with the little that has appeared could benefit soil restoration is immense, and all because some shrooms filled people dominate the scene and gave the field a bad name. There's no bad research imo as long as it respects a no good methodology. However there can be wasted money on research.

You aren't talking about homeopathy, you're talking about natureopathy, it's not the same thing at all. You're simply misusing terminology without realizing it.

>Homeopathic doctors (who also are called “homeopaths”) weaken these ingredients by adding water or alcohol. Then they shake the mixture as part of a process called “potentization.” They believe this step transfers the healing essence. Homeopaths also believe that the lower the dose, the more powerful the medicine. In fact, many of these remedies no longer contain any molecules of the original substance. They come in a variety of forms, like sugar pellets, liquid drops, creams, gels, and tablets.

https://www.webmd.com/balance/what-is-homeopathy

@olmitch @Amikke @coolboymew ja I'm aware of the definition. Natureopathy wasn't commonly and is still not commonly used in France. I find it silly to use such words since some pharmaceuticals meds still use plants/plant molecules.

IMO, "leaky gut" isn't "completely altmed.
It's really a rephrasing of "intestinal permeability", some things people say about "leaky gut" are quite wrong sure, but to say it's not actually based on something real is inaccurate.
@mangeurdenuage @Amikke @coolboymew