@FailForward @pony yeah its an office district, theres literally no reason to be there

@piggo
Of course I know these places, lived in the city for some years. Sometimes it really is a pity that such districts were built with a very utilitarian mindset - this is what **we** need. Instead of thinking from people's perspective - this is what the future inhabitants of this district would need.
@pony

@FailForward but yeah, the struggle there is real, the developer and owner, local semi-oligarch would LOVE to have the place full of people out of the business hours, however consistently fails to attract anyone (mostly because he cannot (for regulatory reasons) and doesn't want to (for $$ reasons) build virtually any housing there)

@pony
I don't think it is only about building residential areas. Nobody wants to move to a gray concrete blocks neighborhood. What is actually missing in that photo of yours are **trees** and **grass** and rest areas. That's what attracts people to spend time in a neighborhood. And it's not too expensive either.

@FailForward @pony
it's around E14.4555963 N50.0481521
some trees actually are there. i think there maybe are more people around lunchtime

@piggo @pony I see. What I meant more was something like this (just a random google image search for "livable street"). Nothing fancy, just stuff making people naturally slow down and stay a bit. Instead of leaving. Even a nice park behind a corner exactly does not make it.

But none of these are fixed and can be fixed later after the thing is built. So let's hope for good.

@FailForward @piggo the road is a pre-existing thing in this development though and the developer actually tried a lot of things to make it less horrible, like, the crossing beneath the footbridge is something they fought for really hard and is only few years old, the "square" opposite to this bus stop, even if kinda shitty, also used to be an unapologetic parking lot

i mean, i also think the development kinda sucks, but there are much worse things

@FailForward yeah, but no. there actually is a fancy park behind in case you want that (i think it seriously sucks, but whatever), the place is well connected by transit and has most amenities you'd want, the only reason there are no people is there's only little housing, there is some, but it's too expensive because you can't build it tall enough (and even if you could, the mandatory parking requires expensive multi-level underground garages to match it) to make better return on investment than with offices, people would absolutely happily move there in droves if they could

@FailForward meanwhile people are buying whatever ekospol puts together in the most remote greenfields around the city perimeter (like, piggo)

@pony I see the two you have never enough of this fun 😄

@FailForward thing is that ekospol is genuinely garbo housing

(which is still usually superior to anything else you can have unless you're rich, because pre-war housing suffers from a lot of issues and is generally not good unless you can sink a ton of money into it and the post-war construction is basically irredeemably shit)