@dump_stack@lor.sh @SNerd Exactly. One of the Koch brothers ran as a libertarian for office back in the late 70s, but left the party when he figured out his family company would be destroyed by a libertarian government. Imagine being responsible to clean up your own oil spills??
@JonKramer @dump_stack Why would a libertarian government infringe on the property rights of the Koch’s and force them to clean up their property? The Kochs decided Fascism is the way to go because when their corporations are the government they have more control.
@SNerd @dump_stack@lor.sh , because one of the primary moral stances of libertarians is if you cause harm to people, you get to fix the problem. Your property rights do not extend to harming your neighbors. There is no exception to this rule.
@JonKramer @dump_stack moral stances are easily ignored, which is why our democracy is threatened today. What I question is this libertarian freedom from big government interference is fine until this property rights vs harming neighbors has to be litigated then enforced by government. It all ends up no different that what we have today.
@SNerd @dump_stack@lor.sh Moral stances can always be ignored, true. This is true for any individual or group of people. That doesn't change what those stances ARE. For libertarians, you can't cause anyone else harm. This is a core principle. Violating that would be like a Christian sect that doesn't believe in Jesus. The fundamental belief of Christians is that they are followers of Jesus. Now, the individual groups may pervert this, even lying about the teachings of Jesus, but that doesn't change the basic core principle. Also, it isn't 'big government' that libertarians oppose, it is 'government' at any level that violates individual rights. Government exists for one reason only, to a libertarian, to protect individuals. This is not what billionaires believe, at their core.
@SNerd @dump_stack@lor.sh , on a side note, these principles are NOT endorsed by the current Libertarian Party. The party has been subverted, over a span of several decades, by republicans. They tend to support government at all levels, even if they talk like libertarians. This point is not important to this conversation though, as billionaires are not Libertarian Party supporters either.