JonKramer, CIS-HET @JonKramer@qoto.org

@michelestrider

" A blatant lie you pulled out your butt there buddy... You just spewed that without ever fact checking it."

Want some links? Or will you complain about the ones I provide?

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

That you consider an actual left party to be "fringe" is supporting of my position. The ARE fringe. Because they are actual lefties. Obama and Biden are not.

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

My point was, and is, that there do exist some actual lefty parties. They are NOT in power. Only right wing parties have power in the United States. All left parties are out of power.

@freemo @ech @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

"and its leaders"

That part isn't true. they support laws banning all abortions. The push for laws criminalizing women who would travel to other states to get a legal abortion. They require women to wait in parking lots until they are bleeding out before removing a dead fetus. In short, there is no argument that the leadership, leaders those 66% of the GOP members support, is in any way, shape or form in favor of body autonomy. By extension, if you vote for leaders who stand against body autonomy, YOU are against it. I see no grey here.

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

“like somehow the entire country having high rent or somethign proves”

I never made that argument.

@cmdrwilkens @Strandjunker , that is a good candidate, but I think Murdoch has him beat.

@Strandjunker I have a very hard time disagreeing with you. Reagan is dead, Bush junior killed a few million, but with help from Murdoch...

@BethanyBlack , you know what shitty artists still are?

Artists.

@BethanyBlack , even better if you wait until the elevator doors close.

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent_Is_Too_Damn_High_Party

@jinxhart Puns are the foundation of all humor. The most base form of humor.

@freemo @ech @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei what does THE PARTY, and in specific, the party leaders push?

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei The Rent is Too Damn High is the name of a left wing political party.

@michelestrider I voted "other."

The proper answer is "big."

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

"like somehow the entire country having high rent or somethign proves"

I never made that argument.

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

"He isnt a dictator"

Research what an executive order is, and how it works. This doesn't mean he is a dictator, and I never said or implied he was.

"majority (66%) of the GOP beleive"

I am talking the party, not individuals.

"Well as covered earlier they actually do support drug use"

There are several million young black men in prison who will be happy to hear of this policy change.

"No you mean the DNC doesnt support it"

Correct. The Dems are a right wing party. Individual members of the party can be far more liberal.

"When you go down the policy list of the DNC 98% of it is all on the left"

Is pro war a liberal policy? Increasing the police force? Border patrols? Crime bills? Give me an example of something the DO, not something they vaguely talk about. Show me that they are willing to fight for those things, and not just give lip service to perpetuate political theater.

"Whether forcing people to take a drug is common and has been done before has absolutely no relevance"

The relevance is that all sides of the issue agree in principle with some level of force to protect the public health. Neither side mandates it though, or pushes for absolute mandates.

"Yea this is also really disconnected from what is being discussed"

We are discussing the existence of left wing parties in America. I gave example that would show their existence. Examples that do not exist. Because, there is no left wing party in America.

"we are saying Obama and Biden were left wing… huge difference"

No, YOU are saying that. I say they are demonstrably right wing.

"Ok then this wasnt even a valid point then."

You asked “how do you “enforce monopolies” “.

If you wanted to ask about creating them, under a specific person, I would have answered that question instead.

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

"Ok so what act of licening did Obama carry out that explicitly forced the creation.."

Not sure he did create a monopoly, although I assume his administration oversaw the creation of a few. But without any doubt he continued the policies for existing monopolies, in the oil and gas industry, cable TV, internet service providers, pharmaceuticals, auto manufacturers, insurance companies (that is a HUGH one under Obama) and literally thousands of other monopolies licensed by the state.

"the right usually focuses on preserving the bodily autonomy of BOTH the mother and the baby."

If you have an abortion ban that says you can not remove a dead fetus from a mother, then you do not care about the body autonomy of the mother. Google up "abortion ban dead fetus" for examples where this is undeniably true. The right doesn't care about body autonomy. If they did, they would support drug use, prostitution, abortion, trans gender surgery, etc. And 'the left' doesn't support those things either. Which to me indicates that 'the left' is almost as far right as 'the right.' As for vaccines, I think American history is full of forced vaccines. The 1st forced vaccines were done by George Washington (innoculations). We have had vaccine passports since about WW I. Every school kid in public school has needed one since about 1950, Public health isn't a left or right issue, and there have always been ways to bypass vaccines.

"Well as established this is wrong, per the thread."

Repetition is not proof. When the BLM candidates control even 25% of the government, when the Rent is Too Damn High Party has even NYC, when The ANTIFA party has 100 congressmen, and 30 senators... then their MIGHT be a left wing in this country. Right now we have the theocratic right, and the Senator from a credit card company.

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

I should add that the left would be in favor of the collective welfare, absolutely true. So which part is aggressively addressing climate change, and basic living standards, and helping immigrants? Helping to end segregation, racism, etc? Income inequality? Affordable housing? Supporting the expansion of unions??

No American party is on the left.

@freemo @Free_Idealist @pyranose @georgetakei

"I think you are confusing the DNC and GOP with left vs right."

Nope, I am saying they are both right wing. And posted a link that I agree with, that shows they are testibly both right wing.

"how do you “enforce monopolies” "

Pretty easy. Licencing.

"Witht he right focusing on individual freedoms and the left focusing on collective welfare then yea."

The right stands firmly against individual freedoms. They are against body autonomy, and that is the very foundation of individual freedom. If you don't own yourself, and have the right to do what you want with your own body, you have no basic freedoms. And, I would say the 'left' in America is not far separated from the 'right.' Because there is no left wing in America.