@kironbondale @Kihbernetics @joeposaurus Some smart people (Sociologists) described culture as 'undecided decision-premisses' - which is by far the best description if this fuzzy term I've heard until now.
As a consequence, this means that something made explicit, a documented rule or constraint, is no longer a part of culture, because it was decided about it.
The expectation of obeying (or not) to the rule may be part of it, though.
@bbak @kironbondale@mastodon.world @joeposaurus
Of course. A document that describes it is the #product of the #culture. It is a form (means) of #preservation and #communication of cultural traits. A kind of #memory.
Instead of a written document, you may have a bard singing songs about the culture that would be fulfilling the same role.
@Kihbernetics @kironbondale @joeposaurus Kanban policies don't just describe, like a tale or a bard's song.
They exist to constrain the flow of value - therefore they are called policies in the end.
Hence they are not, and cannot be culture.
@bbak @kironbondale@mastodon.world @joeposaurus
Where did you get the idea that I equate policies and culture?
Stories songs, and other documents are never just a description of the culture that created them. As you correctly identified, when they are accepted by the masses as a #Standard, they can be a powerful means for culture specific motivation and control (constraint).
In the end, it really does not matter if your organization is a #Kanban, a #Scrum, or some other #Culture. Every (people) organization is a #DynamicalSystem with #Memory.
@bbak @kironbondale@mastodon.world @joeposaurus
If we can have names like "Gothic architecture" and "Christian religion" why is using "Kanban culture" as distinct from "Scrum culture" being controversial?
And yes, #memory is very important for #learning, state dependent (dynamical) systems.
@Kihbernetics @kironbondale @joeposaurus What's that for an argument? We have all kinds of things that don't make any sense.
But of course you can invent and use whatever terms you want. Go for it.
Thanks for your time. Happy New Year.
@bbak @kironbondale@mastodon.world @joeposaurus
Wasn't trying to start an argument. I just don't see anything questionable in using these terms for identifying different organizational cultures.
The term "culture" is used mainly to describe a set of values, beliefs, and behaviors shared among members of an organization, and those are often based on particular (known) frameworks, methodologies, or approaches like Scrum, Kanban, CMMI, ISO ...
Anyways, I think we've beaten this issue to death so I'll join you in wishing all the best in the New Year to all you good people. Have fun🎉
@Kihbernetics @kironbondale @joeposaurus A Kanban or Scrum Culture? That term is questionable. Neither of these are or even can be elements of culture, because they are already decided.
And that complex systems are path-dependent - what you frame as 'having memory' - was never questioned.
Someone else in the thread mentioned something along the lines that making policies explicit is related to culture.