I learned from a WP article (see alt text) that Norbert #Wiener was involved in the political discussion of mitigating the effects of the technological revolution which industrial and administrative #automation brought about.
The 2019 edition of #Cybernetics is freely available form MIT press (URL in alt text).
It's related to my work regarding the boundaries of a system A that objectivizes a system B that it intents to control, the problem of #grounding, #semantics and #classes. #ai is old.
>Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, but in his first State of the Union the following January, Johnson urged passage of the pending Kennedy automation commission bill. Congress obliged, and on Aug. 19, 1964, LBJ signed the legislation that formally created the National Commission on Technology, Automation, and Economic Progress, noting, ***“If we have the brainpower to invent these machines, we have the brainpower to make certain that they are a boon, not a bane, to humanity.”***
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@Kihbernetics You're right, socio-technically controlled systems have the properties that allow the application of formal control theory. I argue that Wiener's cybernetics depends on the degree of control that one asserts about the system in question. Beer's cybernetics attempts to create that control (a political, totalitarian approach). I argue that Ashby's "requisite variety" can't be the result of a formalization - it's the theorized description of an identified self-selected system.
@Kihbernetics that article made me get a copy of Wiener's Cybernetics. As always he he was all in with formalization but he underestimated 2nd and 3rd order control effects (learning in the controlled subject, or adversarial subjects). Arguably, most of such systems are self-referential and can't be formalized. Approaches like VSM can be formalized around certain goals at the expense of creating totalitarian social structures. I feel that this isn't a defensible "use of human beings".
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#AI, like all other machines we invented, produced, and use in our daily lives is an #amplifier of our ability to #reason, in the same way that cybernetic #automation was (is) an amplifier of our ability to better (with more power) #control our environment, and radios, computers, the #internet, and social media in particular, are all amplifiers of our #communication capabilities.
Amplifiers do not care what they "amplify", so if you have "garbage in" you can be assured that you'll get much more "garbage out", and because amplifiers are very sensitive to ***positive*** (reinforcing) #feedback, you need some reliable ***negative*** (regulation) feedback to keep them in check.