@freemo In the UK, Unions have much wider role than that. They may do elsewhere, I don't know. There is a long history with matters such as safety, welfare and discrimination that they played a big role in, most of it now accepted by most people as reasonable and normal. I think such things need to be treated as a different from your point.
@freemo I have found it tough to decide on the wages point. There have been some good debates between good politicians about it in the past, but there are few of them now of the same calibre, I'm afraid.
@SteelFolk Yes they have a wider role in the UK, netherlands, and much of the world... In fact I had the UK in mind when I started to realize maybe I should be anti-union afterall.