@deadheat @alex @georgia@spinster.xyz I don't lnow if it is nature or nurture, and I don't know how much of it is society, and I don't know much of anything now that I think about it- but, I do know that none of my gay friends growing up in the 90s were choosing to be gay and get tortured by our fellow students when we were in highschool. ( I went to a performing art's school. There were quite a few homosexuals.)

@Melkora @Surasanji @alex @georgia I will pick up this "conversion therapy" argument, because it's always presented as this horrifying thing.

If someone wanted therapy to help them become straight, what about it? If you have ever done therapy, you know that a good therapist would simply explain how the brain works and what this person should do to achieve this change without any sort of trauma or abuse being inflicted on them. A therapist will help you achieve whatever goal you want help with, even if the change you want is not technically a cure for a mental disorder.

What psychiatrists are currently doing under the trans ideology to their patients is much worse than any "conversion therapy" that has ever existed in the western world. No schizophrenic or delusional patient for any reason have their irrational ideas supported by the doctors, anorexics are not helped to starve themselves, it's only trans people that get poisoned with hormones and mutilated as a "cure".

@Melkora @Surasanji @alex @georgia

>homophobic

Who's homophobic, the gay person voluntarily seeking help or the therapist? This word doesn't mean anything.

>tolally unnecessary

If someone wants to talk to a therapist about something, you don't have the right to decide for them they can't because it's not necessary.

>ineffective

We don't even know how a therapy like this would go, the idea that there would be electrocution involved for example is absurd. A therapist would not make up from the top of his head some gay cure, it would have research and their results as its foundations.

Look, I'm not saying gay people should be treated for becoming straight, but people should be free to seek help about this if they want without the risk of the LGBT mafia coming after the therapist.

@Melkora @Surasanji @alex @georgia Anyway, here's the chapter from the book of dr. Whitehead who says sexual orientation can be "fluid" as he puts it. I don't even know if I agree with everything he says, but at least he backs up his arguments with almost a hundred citations instead of accusations of homophobia and progressive dogma.

He says this change most of the time is circumstantial, not because of therapy.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180127120643/http://www.mygenes.co.nz/mgmmdi_pdfs/Ch12.pdf