https://reason.com/2024/10/30/german-homeschooling-refugees-can-stay-in-u-s-for-another-year/
Wow, Germany's pretty authoritarian huh
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@Hyolobrika Either that or your views on homeschooling are pretty extreme ;-)
Not saying germany was not authoritarian, far from it. But homeschooling is not where i have concerns.
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parents obviously still ideologically influence their kid but some groups just outright try to keep their kids away from ever encountering real life, to brainwash them
I was part of a "home education group" as a child and there was one family there who were Catholic and educated their kids in their religion (creationism and everything probably). Is that what you're talking about? Because they seem to have turned out alright too.
I'm not saying that homeschooling in general is automatically bad, but I'm saying that there's a risk of sects using it to keep their children away from the outside world.
@Hyolobrika @lizzy "It's normal that daddy does that" is not a realistic lie if children mix with others. Mixing up many can expose narrow minded views, too. Just hearing there are other ways to think can help.
@Hyolobrika @lizzy Anything he wants, if noone else ever gets to see the kid.
@Hyolobrika @lizzy Ofc, there is crap in the mainstream education. That crap is a minimum given to everyone, to ward against the toxic waste some heap on their kids.
@Hyolobrika @lizzy I don't follow, how is this relevant to the discussion?
What is bad in general is not something that can be kept from people forever, so it's not making much of a difference if it's kept away during education.
@Hyolobrika The irony is that the prime homeschooling people are authoritarian too. Right back to the german reich with a monarchy, if they get what they want.
And you can't take your singular case as evidence here, the question ist what sorts of sick stuff is done to kids if anyone can homeschool, not if there are positive examples.
@Hyolobrika The sects that lizzy mentioned destroy their self esteem, the neonazis i mentioned make them (or try to) into more nazis.
Any further abuse is also a concern, as it is easier to notice with public schools - but not necessarily connected to the mentioned groups.
@admitsWrongIfProven @Hyolobrika
> it is easier to notice with public schools
Besides, children being raised this way might not even be realising that something wrong is going on as they don't interact with the rest of society much. Some very wrong shit might be going on behind this. The state might be pure evil, but it doesn't necessarily mean that everyone opposing it is a good guy.
@m0xee @Hyolobrika Also, while there are bad people as teachers, most of them want to do good and are simply resource constrained. So "state = school" is wrong, because there are real human beings that can oppose bad state influence, or interpret rules more humanely.
I have some contact to people in teaching, and there is good stuff there, even if a lot of the framework is pretty bad.
@admitsWrongIfProven
Yeah, that is normally true — when the state is serving the society, but there are all sorts of corner cases, such as this: https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/24/europe/russia-schools-pro-war-parade-grounds-intl/index.html
The article is from 2023 and I don't have children, but from what I know — it's got much worse since then and now they are planning to extend this to kindergartens. Most teachers partaking in this aren't just resource-constrained, they are part of the system which is evil.
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@admitsWrongIfProven
This is in theory where homeschooling might come to the rescue — but in practice most parents cannot afford it.
And give or take, I think even this is better than some of the cases of homeschooling gone wrong as it still implies socialisation — interacting with all sorts of kids.
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@admitsWrongIfProven
People who underwent normal socialisation still get into cults at times, imagine children being preconditioned with religious or otherwise ideological dogma from the get go — this can be catastrophic, nearly impossible to undo at adult age.
@Hyolobrika
@m0xee @Hyolobrika I was only talking about germany, as it is the only country i have a samples from. Between canadian "charter schools" and chinese concentration camps, there surely are enough examples where my points would not be valid.
@admitsWrongIfProven I was homeschooled before secondary school and I turned out fine.
“The police were knocking at the door, and one day they took the children to school, and the children were crying because the policemen took the schoolbags by force,” Uwe Romeike told Deutsche Welle in 2009.
The family also faced “fines eventually totaling over $11,000” and “threats that they would lose custody of their children,” according to The New York Times.
The Romeikes had run afoul of schulpflicht, Germany’s legal duty to send children to state-approved schools. The intent, explains the country’s Federal Constitutional Court, is to prevent “the emergence of religious or ideologically motivated ‘parallel societies’” that disagree with prevailing ideas.
(Bold emphasis mine; but I don’t speak German so I can’t judge whether Reason’s interpretation of the law is accurate)
If this isn’t authoritarian to you then I don’t know what to say.