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@wortspielfettgesicht Innenministerium wäre ja ehrlich, also offensichtlich, dass es nicht gewählt wird.

@daswarkeinhuhn Und du kannst dir kaum vorstellen, wie stressig Banken werden, wenn man kein Smartphone will...

@OpenComputeDesign
That's why it is an accomplishment. If it were easy (like saying pleasant things about hypotheticals) it would not mean much.

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I think the relevant part is "absolutely should not", where you deny yourself things that you suspect might harm others. Just like not punching people that annoy you, that's restraint. Who you like more is not important / preference.

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@OpenComputeDesign @light I'd say it's inconsequential. If you were in such a rare situation, the important part would be to do what you can, not what genitals the saved person has. Standing around gawking would be bad.

@OpenComputeDesign @light I guess mostly i consider such fake scenarios that need them to be distraction.

You don't need much trolley problems in real life, what you do need is understanding what those are supposed to distract you from.

For example the classical: "Should the self-driving car hit the infant, elderly or the middle aged?"
A total non-question. There's a lot to be done to be safer, and this just distracts from the heavy damage car manufacturers have done by not doing it / lobbying for less security considerations.

@OpenComputeDesign @light I would not be so sure if this is actually bad.

"Caring for xyz more" is different from "Not wanting xyz to have the same rights and chance at happiness".

Are you sure you mean you want less rights/happiness for some? That would really be bad.

Who you care more for, that's not an ethics problem, however. It's simply personal preferences.

@OpenComputeDesign @light I feel like trying to make a ladder for this is likely to backfire. Special problems and need for help, yeah. Seeing one as more worthy than another, not compatible with general human dignity.

@OpenComputeDesign @light Tangential maybe, but important to say, otherwise the meaning would be different.

@OpenComputeDesign @light
There can be multiple specially endangered groups at once. You can advocate for special protections / help for one and also acknowledge the other needs something too.
I can clearly see the problem for males - no large group (like >10% of society) gets a good upbringing, the harm done to males is just different than the harm done to females. Leaving one emotionally crippled, pushing towards a very unproductive hostility, those things aren't ok either. What good is it for me when i can assert myself, but the way to do that makes people prepare knives to stick into my back? (exaggerated, hypothetical)

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The openly hostile stuff is what you see easily, i think the "throw humanity into the profit grinder" stuff is more dangerous. They actually bite, not just bark.

@OpenComputeDesign @light Special protections would make sense, if the group has special dangers they face, this much checks out.

So far, i can't see anything unusual, lots of people see a need for special protections for female and/or very young people. As long as you don't advertize throwing old men into a meat grinder, you're with the majority of those that actually try to be ethical, i think.

@OpenComputeDesign @light Might theoretically be so, but the term "moral" has been ruined by people selfishly claiming it without any consideration for others.

If you have people that have negative ethics (like i wanna get richer, even if people die for that) telling others what is good, the practical application is clearly harmful.

So, what is the unusual you see in yourself? Not having the aforementioned negative ethics or something else?

@OpenComputeDesign @light I'm a bit hung up on the meanings of "moral" and "ethics". I know not everyone uses these like i do, but with "moral" i associate things set by people in power (like the church teaching their views) or "we always did it that way". With ethics, i associate a philosophical, truth-seeking approach to "how do we want to live".

Since neither of you are contrary to discussing things, i don't think that you are all too infected by morals.

@PippiPunkstrumpf So grau. Man kann sich ja nicht alle Aussagen von Kultisten merken...

@PippiPunkstrumpf Immerhin sind wir abgelenkt von Umweltzerstörung und Kriegen, ist ja auch echt unangenehm sich mit sowas zu befassen.

@PippiPunkstrumpf Kuck mal: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/pm-netanyahu-shares-article-calling-him-an-icon-of-the-global-right-670134
Seit spätestens 2021 ist nicht rechtsradikal sein schon antisemitisch. Hatten wir wohl nicht mitbekommen?

@PippiPunkstrumpf Nach der allgemeinen Verdrehung hab ich vermutlich auch nen Sack Kätzchen ertränkt 🤡