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@ae That shit looks dddaaannnnkkkk :)
@freemo 100% pure extract of condensed spacetime
@ae 99.13% of democrats voted for impeachment. 100% of repulicans voted against impeachment.
I'd say that is effectively showing partisanship and polarization I mentioned. Moreover it shows that of the small group of 2 congressmen who demonstrated bipartisanship by voting outside of party lines 100% of that group voted against impeachment.
Keep in mind while the impeachment does appear just to be a ruse used to correct for the fact that Trump was dominating the polls at the time I really dont mind that aspect in isolation I might give them a pass. What is the most telling to me is once it was time to send it off to the House and Chief justice for a hearing they refuse. Knowing trump would be found innocent (due to the obvious lack of bipartisan support we already covered) they decided its best not to have a resolution.
In short they know he will be found innocent and because that would actually HELP trumps credibility, and because their only goal was to hurt his chances of election, instead of letting the hearing be held, they just sit on it.
If the house didnt decide to just sit on it then I'd actually be ok with it, but that isnt the case.
@freemo that's not true, there were NINE votes by democrats that were not YES. over 100% more than the republicans. That is huge relative variability and points to the democrats are more open minded and not just voting on party lines, while the republicans are likely being less thoughtful. Only 4 repulbican votes were not NO. This is very good evidence your hypothesis is wrong. I expect as an open minded person you can at least admit these objective numbers do not help your case and do help mine at least a little tiny bit.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/18/us/politics/trump-impeachment-vote.html
You are also leaving out that the senate majority leader and person running the trial has said he will not allow witnesses or evidence and will vote in favor of trump no matter what. It requires at least a small stretch of the imagination to think that the ONLY reasons the house wants to hold on to the trial documents is to cover their butts, it is much more likely that they simply want it to be at least a legitimate trial. If it is a sham trial as has been announced already, the verdict will be meaningless, and trump won't credibly be innocent or guilty either way. It's insanely anti-democratic to be on the republicans side in this instance on pure technicalities, regardless of the subject at hand. Purely mechanically and objectively the house is at least *plausibly* (regardless of actual motives) attempting to do what's right to ensure that the process is done legally and correctly. To assume it is strictly some political thing to save face seems so anti occams razor. Definitely a bit of both, but I just can't believe you are 100% on the republicans side on this, I feelike you have to at least give 10% 20% possibility the democrats are at least partially in good faith trying to do the right thing right?
@freemo correct nine democrats voted other than yes. only 4 repubs voted other than yes. over 100% discrepancy and very reflective I think.
@freemo five total no votes from dems, zero yes votes from repubs. It's ridiculous!
@ae So 99% democrats voted party lines and 100% republican.. You can spin that however you want I guess...
@freemo well no, you shouldn't spin at all that's my point. Democrats voted less along party lines than the Republicans is just an objective, factual statement. And they voted outside of party lines more than twice as much as the republicans.
That data gives me at least some reason believe that there is at least a *plausible* chance that *some* of the house democrats are acting at least in *partial* good faith.
@ae insignificantly less.. less than 1% so.. I mean sure, if you want to point that fact out, go for it, but it is so insignificant a number it doesnt really say anything good. It shows they follow party lines 99+%
@ae BTW as for the majority leader being bias in addition to the democrats being bias, no argument there. IT is clear everyone is bias to a fault. The impeachment was nothing more than a deperate attempt to win an election and the republicans believe that to be true and treat it with the same unprofessional bias the democrats showed in initiating it, both groups arent looking great obviously.
@ae Incorrect, here are the votes