salon.com/2022/12/04/in-the-ag

“…as The Christian Chronicle reported in 2021, for many churches, the "rip and sip" communion cups may be the new normal.”

@wnknisely "They are more expensive, and they don't taste very good" – and possible one or two other issues as well!
(Also that 'conservative' churches would use grape juice instead of wine was somewhat unexpected – presumably they're not conservative in their Eucharistic theology)
I'm not sure what the theology of those mega-churches is, but I probably wouldn't like it.

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@Robminchin @wnknisely WRT grape juice. Many of those churches are strongly tied to the temperance movement and still officially prohibit alcohol.

@antares @wnknisely I guessed that, similarly to the Methodists. But I'm not sure that's particularly 'conservative'.

@Robminchin @antares I was surprised to learn that the Abolitionist movement and the Temperance movement were essentially the same thing in the 19th century. Frederick Douglass was one of the most famous speakers at Temperance meetings.

@Robminchin @antares The movement was trying to save the marginalized people that were being controlled by the “owner” class that was using alcohol as a tool to maintain dependency.

I suppose you could argue that the Temperance movement was essentially progressive in the beginning at least. Though like so many things I think we’ve lost the thread and now it’s seen in a different light by most people.

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