More signs that interest in BEVs is declining. Pretty soon people will start saying things about the whole idea of mandating them.

thedrive.com/news/gm-is-stalli

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@Hypx Did someplace pass a mandate and not merely a requirement for Zero-Emmisions Vehicles?

California's ban on ICE cars allows those hydrogen powered s that you think are the real future, and it is the only state I know that as passed such a mandate. The EU's 2035 ban in ICE vehicles seems to also allow them.

@antares It was written as a BEV mandate, with only token allowance for alternatives. If hydrogen cars were seriously a part of it, there would be big subsidies for refueling stations.

In truth, those 2035 bans are nearly dead because they are so poorly thought out. They either get moved back, cancelled, or gain giant exceptions. The only chance it could happen is if governments get very serious about hydrogen cars right away.

@hansbot @Hypx @antares

The 2035 date is meaningless really as many manufacturers have already committed to selling only EVs before that date.

We're well on the way to a BEV only future for everything except heavy transport. Can't happen fast enough for me 👍🏻

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@mackaj @hansbot @antares most of that won't happen. It will be cancelled or changed as they get closer to the deadline. See HS2 as an example.

@Hypx @hansbot @antares

That's no comparison.

HS2 is a government funded project that's years late and projected to be £50 Billion over budget.

Private car manufacturers plan and develop their designs, tooling and supply chains up to 10 years in advance and their transition to EVs is already well under way.

I know you don't like it, but the move to BEVs is happening. It's unstoppable now.

@mackaj @hansbot @antares Private companies don't have to tell the truth either. Just now, Stellantis "changed their minds" on ICE powered muscle cars:

thedrive.com/news/confirmed-ne

@Hypx @hansbot @antares

One last hurrah for the good old American ICE muscle car. Better snap one up while you still can 😄

No one in Europe will be paying attention.

@mackaj @hansbot @antares That was apparently the marketing stunt. This will be the "last ICE powered version" before suddenly making another one.

@Hypx @hansbot @antares

Good trick to artificially pump demand and squeeze the last few bucks out of a doomed ICE market.

@Hypx @hansbot @antares

VW are struggling because they're getting soundly thrashed in the Chinese car market. They were once the largest and dominant supplier and rely on that market, but they've been eclipsed by local EV brands. Their EVs are so poor compared to domestic EV models that they've been roasted by the local press and car pundits alike. Their sales have tanked. They've had to discount the ID 4 by 50% just to be able to sell any.

That's the real reason

@hansbot @Hypx @antares

Yeah that was one of the biggest complains about VW's EVs. Even in the UK people soured on it. In china they were pilloried for how poor it was.

@Hypx @mackaj @antares You’re again misguided. VW is an incumbent #ICE convert being past left and right by native #BEV entrants. There’s no denying that the adoption of electric vehicles throughout Europe and Asia is massive and rapidly increasing.

@hansbot @mackaj @antares You can believe what you want. But this is happening at many companies, include pure BEV companies.

@Hypx @hansbot @antares

There are too many car companies trying to compete in this space now. Some are doing very well, others are struggling and some of them will fall by the wayside. This is the way of things.

@hansbot @Hypx @antares

Norway are leading the way with new plug-in electric car sales. It's risen from 29.1% in 2016 to 90% this year — 83.5% full electrics (BEVs) and 6.5% plugin hybrids (PHEVs).

They're modelling what's going to happen across the rest of Europe.

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