@hund it avoids the biggest truth though. which is that configuring a dozen daemons each with their own specific way of being configured sucked. having a normalized monorepo of base utilities, with standard means of configuration/control, is a huge blessing.

i don't mind most of the "facts". the "systemd is truly a huge monolith" though seems unbelievably out of this world petty if not outright wrong. oh you explicitly told systemd-networkd to control dns? and you're complaining about what? that it is? please bro, find something at least minorly complainable to cite here. this is crap.

all in all this is an extremely non-technical, extremely fear based write up. it talks about background, but from a very narrow view, & doesn't represent any of the technical or operator upsides.

@jauntywunderkind420 couldn't agree more. For anyone who's maintaining software for systems it's an absolute blessing.

I like how he's saying Redhat wants it for stability and reliability reasons. Yeah, really. I want that too.

For anyone who doesn't like systemd (and I'm not saying there aren't valid reasons for that) - there's lots of choices out there. That's great. Just maybe inform yourself beyond such a fear mongering piece first.
@hund

@fedops @jauntywunderkind420 @hund Many people just say "if you don't like systemd just use another choice". That's how floss has always worked but with the fucking systemd is not so easy because it absorbed many components and now it's much more difficult to not depend on it.

Fortunately in the desktop there are alternatives but in the corporate way we barely have choices, so things like we cannot install X on devuan because it depends on systemd-crapd it's more common now.

@jrballesteros05 can you link an issue or issues for that that sounds very silly

@jauntywunderkind420 Silly? I cannot install proxmox on Devuan because it relies on many systemd components.

And I wouldn't mind if I just have to install the components I need but I have to install all the monolithic crap to make proxmox work.

If you are happy with systemd, fine. But this is not like the typical war between vim and Emacs when anyone can use whatever they want and everyone is happy. This is much more complicated than many people think.

@jrballesteros05 dude link issues where these problems occur so we can learn something technical blocking stuff & maybe improve things or quit your whining