@thatguyoverthere @bonifartius i think nothing really changed.

@ThatCrazyDude @thatguyoverthere

only that the propaganda was following classicist art styles. now it's dystopian "corporate art". even the soviet realist stuff manages to invoke positive feelings.

@bonifartius @thatguyoverthere I'm thinking it always follows whatever happens to be a thing, and the "thing" seems to be cyclical too. When you look at history, after every "renesans" period people just have it too good and they slip into decadence. In art, culture, education, etc. We just happen to be in a period of decadence. Don't worry. A major war and measure of misery will fix it

@ThatCrazyDude @thatguyoverthere
yeah, the weak men create hard times meme probably is right :) i always kind of despised ultra hedonist people. nothing wrong with enjoying yourself of course. just don't over do it. i always felt that those people have replaced their soul with things money can buy. or maybe they were spiritual zombies in the first place.

i'm kinda pissed though because as soon i finally start to fix my life big time, covid bullshit and now ukraine bullshit comes around. i just want to be left alone and live a moderately simple life doing more good than ill.

@bonifartius @ThatCrazyDude @thatguyoverthere that's the thing man, they will not leave you alone. Being Libertarian isn't enough, to bring freedom we must enforce it through the power of the state.

@MK2boogaloo @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere @ThatCrazyDude Neo-Libertarians.
Libertarians want less gov interference... Neo-libs want total gov control. More redefining of terms by leftist faggots

@Koropokkur @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere @ThatCrazyDude both are gay lol.

@MK2boogaloo @thatguyoverthere @ThatCrazyDude @bonifartius Nowadays, yes. Like i said, they have changed the definition of what the libertarian stood for. Used to be all about limited gubmint

@MK2boogaloo @bonifartius @ThatCrazyDude @thatguyoverthere Regardless of your political leanings you will never be left alone. Even if you decide to become a hermit one day you'll find people knocking on your door.

You can ask, beg, and plea to be left alone, yet you will still be disturbed. And one day you'll be tired of asking.

@dodo
The trick is put enough traps and dangers around your shack so they don't make it to your door to knock
@thatguyoverthere @MK2boogaloo @ThatCrazyDude @bonifartius
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@Awoo @MK2boogaloo @ThatCrazyDude @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere Just migrate to bosnia lmao, that way noone can blame you for the land mines.

@dodo @Awoo @ThatCrazyDude @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere Bosnia? Nah, better to just move into Alaska.

@MK2boogaloo @bonifartius @ThatCrazyDude @thatguyoverthere >enforce it through power of state
Power of state is power of friendship.
I have a proposal

@MK2boogaloo @ThatCrazyDude @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere Chapter 1: The Power of State
The first step in my journey was realizing that it is impossible to defeat my foes with the power of State
Chapter 2: The Power of Incredible Violence

@dodo @ThatCrazyDude @bonifartius @thatguyoverthere what's your proposal?

I think categorically that's true, but it would be hard to imagine that the things we've learned about manipulation aren't being used.

@thatguyoverthere @bonifartius I'd say that human psychology didn't change that much since we started living in groups and chip flint to make weapons. It's always the same set of tricks. I don't think there's much to discover in this department....

True that what makes us tick is much the same, but don't you think if there wasn't much to learn advertisers wouldn't bother investing in more creative ways to exploit the internals?

@thatguyoverthere @bonifartius i do see your point. But on the other hand.... I'm not so sure that guys marketing apple products are any more creative than the guys marketing say radium toothpaste back in the day. The only difference, the way i see it, is that ways of communicating stuff evolved and different things are trending. But, of course, I'm no expert, so there's that lol

@thatguyoverthere indeed, but considering this i'd expect that it would be more elegant psyops.

on the other hand, the covid scare worked here in germany. send the unvaccinated into the mines! THEY ARE A DANGER TO DEMOCRACY!

@Elfie yeah, only that everyone now constantly is hammered with media. i think it twists the brain. a century ago you had people whose reality was their community. now i know about cluster fucks happening across the globe.

and that is fedi, most people know only about the "approved happenings" and are happy with it.

Yeah I imagine the ease of transmission has increased the effect of propaganda even if the methods employed are largely unchanged.

@bonifartius propaganda has evolved to the point it can manufacture narratives and also "realities" attached to them

Like this whole "climate change" nonsense, every morning I hear on the news "Pakistan is flooded, Lombardi is flooded" and I laugh because it's got nothing to do with me, I live in Latin America whatever happens overseas is not our concern

But they push this ideas constantly to create a "reality" in which climate change is real

@Elfie i mean, it might be real, might be sun cycles or whatever. might even be CO2, only that all the bullshit common people have to do doesn't help jack shit against CO2.

i recently saw a video of someone who said more or less exactly the same things happened ~130 years ago, but i have to look into it and verify that.

@bonifartius
I don't believe anything that I can't reason by myself unless it's from ppl I trust irl

@Elfie @bonifartius

I see it as goy cattle farming, similarly to how a garden variety grifter does it only in this case with infinite funding.
A shared narrative is implicit group membership.
End goal is manufacturing a captive global audience to use as they see fit.

And it is very similar to how power structures traditionally built and kept their followers. Only back then there were technological and other (social, linguistic) limitations reducing narrative reach.

@Elfie @bonifartius
Read
Amusing ourselves to death
It's a page turned and an eye opener

@niclas thanks!

for reference: https://ia801206.us.archive.org/0/items/BernaysPropaganda/Bernays_Propaganda_text.pdf

@bonifartius Thanks for that. I have never read it.

Opening paragraph already gives me chills; "Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country."

@bonifartius Also, it seems that Bernays book is a lot about restoring the "reputation" of the word "propaganda", that got tarnished in the previous war...
It worked once, but I think the bad connotations are here to stay.