@Hyolobrika it's essentially reuters fact checking themselves. that's the real problem.
@ArdainianRight @xianc78 @ryo

@Hyolobrika idk, probably all news outlets are owned by nestle or mars now. even different owners wouldn't fuck with each other, why should they.
@ArdainianRight @xianc78 @ryo

@bonifartius @Hyolobrika @ArdainianRight @ryo Well I tried looking for that article on every search engine and I couldn't find any results. I think the article is fake, but I have seen real articles talking about farmer's markets and how "extremist" they are.

@xianc78
of course one should double check stuff all the time. i believe fact checks were invented to have people unlearn this idea. i think i've seen the farmers markets are extremist article too.

the last years have proven to me that i fare much better with randoms from the internet and my own brain than with "news agencies" and other "official" sources :)
@Hyolobrika @ArdainianRight @ryo

What if the fact check in question backs up what they're saying with archive links?

@Hyolobrika
archives are neat and useful but no proof. kiwifarms was purged from archives. why shouldn't the archive links be fake? i don't know who pays the archives.
@ArdainianRight @xianc78 @ryo

True. But they're the best thing we have if the original article is deleted or altered.
I still think it would be great if all webpages were signed. Then the signed version could be hosted anywhere for proof and there would be no need to trust centralised archive websites and search engine caches.
Relevant (but not about signing) post I wrote some time ago: https://owlper.ch/notice/AGiTtNGF3m8Sl7TW7c
Signing would solve the problem posed at the end.
@bonifartius @Hyolobrika @ArdainianRight @xianc78 Though how are you supposed to sign an HTML webpage without being able to fabricate it?
And also, how would you do so if articles get screenshotted instead of linked?
@Hyolobrika @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @bonifartius I know it exists, but that wasn't what I was asking.
I was asking, how would that provide any guarantees of HTML pages to be real or not?
And what if these pages get screenshotted?
If they're signed by the author, they're probably from the author. The problem is, what is the incentive for the author to sign the pages?
>what if these pages get screenshotted?
People shouldn't be so quick to believe screenshots.
@Hyolobrika @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @bonifartius Good luck getting authors to sign webpages in a world where 98% of the email users outright refuse to sign and/or encrypt their emails.
Plus roughly 70% of the emails are HTML (thus unviewable in actually secure email clients like Mutt and ClawsMail), of which the vast majority include malware (tracking pixel, Javascripts, other types of telemetry etc) too, so very similar to most of the websoytes today.
I was thinking more: why would they sign their words if they know they can be held against them in the future.
Also, there's no reason HTML, JS, etc can't be signed.
@Hyolobrika @ArdainianRight @xianc78 @bonifartius I'm not saying that HTML and JS can't be signed, I said that almost nobody's willing to take the effort into doing so.
@ryo @bonifartius @Hyolobrika @ArdainianRight @xianc78

>Though how are you supposed to sign an HTML webpage without being able to fabricate it?

I'd calculate the hash of HTML document and sign the hash.
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