@p @taylan @SilverDeth i think it's well intentioned but misguided. whatever floats his boat i guess

@bonifartius @taylan @SilverDeth There's no cure; too much time on Twitter. If there has ever been a case where an internet fight made any positive different in anyone's life, I've never heard it.

@taylan @p @SilverDeth
> I don't agree that "stop antagonizing idiots; don't you want the idiots to become your friends?!" is any kind of good advice.

that's not what p wrote

> being told their door is always open

that's common courtesy when parting on good terms

> and some coworkers trying to keep up private contact with me, but I tend to politely ghost them or turn down invitations to social events.

people being nice rewarded with ghosting👌

> I could easily make friends if I wanted to, but most people bore or frustrate me for a variety of reasons, so I politely turn away from them.

i think you might mistake acquaintances for friends. from what i know you are about to enter an age where having real friends will become increasingly hard.

> Unintelligent people can't seem to tell that this fedi account is 50% a joke and not what I'm like in earnest...

do you yourself know which half is the serious part? you just wrote a hundred words in reply to me agreeing to what p wrote. was that serious, or shitposting?

> And pee seriously seems to have thought that me lamenting about the stupidity of various online spaces was me complaining about "not having friends" because he has no reading comprehension.

i have no idea what post of yours p references, but i'm pretty sure reading comprehension isn't ps issue. declaring people stupid or insane is a very lazy argument imo.

@bonifartius @p @SilverDeth

I responded to you separately and more earnestly than in my other posts because unlike other people in the thread I have some respect for your opinions based on past interactions.

You're free to believe or disbelieve what I tell you about my own life and IRL relations. It ultimately doesn't matter, but I thought I'd clarify.

I just like to clown on pee and his orbiters because most of them are contemptible and perpetually annoying. Imagine basing your entire identity around the fact that you want to be free to be able to call people "niggerkike faggot." That's what "free speech extremists" are. They give genuine free speech activism a bad name.

And pee in particular is this ultra arrogant insufferable guy who keeps posturing like an internet tough guy, writing huge novels at people trying to clown on them (often being blatantly wrong while doing so, like when he freaked out because I said "no, passwords are text actually, not just bytes") and then trying to "own" them by ... *checks notes* ... spamming incomprehensible DMs at them generated by a literal bot, which just makes him look like he's having a mental breakdown. Talk about lacking hobbies. No matter what I do, I don't drop down to that level. Would rather play video games, or at least write fedi shitposts that are halfway funny.

@taylan @bonifartius @SilverDeth

> That's what "free speech extremists" are.

You'll find what the name actually means on the blog. Nowhere on fedi will you find me using it as an excuse to spew slurs, and this is hypocritical from you anyway: every other word out of your mouth is "troon".

> then trying to "own" them by ... *checks notes* ... spamming incomprehensible DMs at them generated by a literal bot

You're so fucked in the head that you can't understand that it has never been important who wins a stupid internet slap-fight.

The reason I send the bot is to disincentivize you from tagging me. It's because I do not want to talk to you. There are a lot of people I don't want to talk to and a lot of people I do want to talk to, and I want to avoid wasting my time on people whose stated goal is to "antagonize idiots". If you have said anything worth hearing, I haven't heard it, and I don't want to sift through a mound of horseshit looking for a steak.
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@taylan @p @SilverDeth you can do things however you like when it comes to personal relations. i just don't think that it's that easy to make friends. i was invited by colleagues as well - it's just what some people do. that doesn't mean they are friends i'd rely on, especially after witnessing close friends going crazy during chinese flu era.

to me, using language like "orbiters" reflects how you seem to view others: not like equals who you might dislike or disagree with but as lowers. you can very well just mute people. i collected quotes in my bio as well but specifically without calling out people. it serves to keep away the collectivists. interestingly most of these quotes are in one sense or another saying i'm cognitively challenged, a classic argument of collectivists for centuries.

the point of free speech IS that you can use these words, because they are just words. I don't use them because I think using this language does change myself more than it changes others. insulting doesn't help me improve myself, neither does it further the goals i deem important.
p has a pretty good post on the FSE blog about free speech.

i haven't read your exchange about passwords. representation doesn't matter, as long as it's a reversible operation it doesn't change the strength of a password.

i think it's a pretty good hobby to hack on things which solve ones problems. annoying people on the net being one problem, a bot that replies them nonsensical stuff with the objective that they leave one alone is a pretty amusing solution.

in the post which i said was good advice, p suggested that arguing with people online might not be the the best way to spend ones limited time alive.

@bonifartius @taylan @SilverDeth

> i just don't think that it's that easy to make friends.

Making and keeping them requires you to recognize some unpleasant things about yourself and either fix these things or at least get control of them. People with zero friends, like this guy who is too great to stoop to the level of acquiring friends, end up more stunted than people that live in an echo chamber. It's depressing.

> the point of free speech IS that you can use these words, because they are just words.

Yeah, you can't stop ideas by stopping words; what people have issues with is the idea, and they want to cure acne by cutting off pimples (a metaphor borrowed from Orwell).

> i haven't read your exchange about passwords. representation doesn't matter, as long as it's a reversible operation it doesn't change the strength of a password.

It was conversion to UTF-8 by assuming encoding, which is a destructive operation, and then normalizing it, which is another destructive operation. Treating a password as an opaque token is the only way to handle it; you don't need to do any text processing on a password and shouldn't anyway, especially if you are doing text processing that is opaque to the user, and definitely if you are using something like iconv: imagine the Unicode Consortium changing a normalization rule and iconv reflecting it and then passwords breaking when the library is updated.

> p suggested that arguing with people online might not be the the best way to spend ones limited time alive.

Yeah, and he's not even arguing. He has said himself in other threads that the point is to antagonize people to "expose idiots" or just to take out personal frustrations on people he hates: he doesn't care about the things he is arguing about so it's pointless to discuss anything with him. So I had written him off as an idiot when he first did that, and then when he explained his actual goal, I wrote him off as completely pointless. He keeps hopping accounts, though, so he's hard to avoid.

@bonifartius @p @SilverDeth

Bro you can stop trying to psycho-analyze me. Not once in my life did I have someone trying to do that end up giving me good advice. At some crucial times, doing the opposite of what people suggest has yielded optimal results.

I guess I appreciate the attempt, but you're really going off of basic misconceptions, like thinking that I'm looking for friends or something? I'm all set, really.

> in the post which i said was good advice, p suggested that arguing with people online might not be the the best way to spend ones limited time alive

That is *extremely* ironic, coming from him.

I do this when I lack the drive to do other things. The time would otherwise be wasted watching random entertainment on YouTube, or playing video games, so it's all the same really. Dunking on insufferable people can be pretty fun. Though admittedly it is pretty annoying when he calls like 20 of his friends for emotional support, and I have to go through notifications muting people.

@taylan @SilverDeth @p @bonifartius
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@bonifartius @taylan @SilverDeth Your response was somewhat better than mine, I basically run out of patience as soon as I think "Hey, that's that same guy with a different name". This bit he wrote was kind of my point:

> and some coworkers trying to keep up private contact with me, but I tend to politely ghost them or turn down invitations to social events.

He'd rather be here, with people he hates, than get coffee with a former colleague. It's depressing.
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@p @taylan @SilverDeth well, i'm on here as well and not out meeting people :)

i try hard to not do pissing contests. i think in almost half the cases i write a post but delete it. it's just not worth arguing with a certain kind of people and most topics aren't worth it. either someone has the potential to understand freedom as an idea or they don't, and no force in this world can convince them otherwise except they themselves. i took long enough to get it myself, took more than half of my life.

most people just aren't that interesing (to me) but it's on me to change or do something if i want to meet others. can't expect others to do this for me, "be the change you want to see" :)

@bonifartius @taylan @SilverDeth

> well, i'm on here as well and not out meeting people :)

Sure, but you're not here to antagonize people or push an agenda. I'm here to talk to friends and random people and see the weird shit they're working on and talk about all my weird shit, hear what people think, that sort of thing; I imagine it's the same with most people that aren't here to push an agenda.

> most people just aren't that interesing (to me)

Yeah, understandable; I'm the same way. But there are a lot of interesting people here, so I'm here.

@p @bonifartius @SilverDeth @taylan

I think along these lines whenever I hear someone talk about popularity of a platform; it worked fine the last time I wanted to send toot.

@dsm @SilverDeth @bonifartius @taylan Yeah, all of the servers being run by hackers with duct tape makes the place way more interesting. Glad to see you.

@p @SilverDeth @bonifartius @taylan

Hacking on production is fedi culture.

> it's just not worth arguing with a certain kind of people and most topics aren't worth it.

Not every interaction has to be political, and a major misunderstanding of most politically minded people is that eveeything in the world has to be reduced to words and talking is always a solution. Somethings are better left unsaid — to know the name is to forget the thing — and demonstration is often the best solution.

Telling someone how to fish is simply inferior to taking them fishing. In fact, the former isn't fishing at all. It's an inauthentic chimera.

@bonifartius @p @taylan @SilverDeth Let's just all admit that everyone on the internet is crazy in some way (except me ofc)

@light @bonifartius @taylan @SilverDeth I ain't pretend to not be some kinda fuckin' lunatic.

@p @taylan @SilverDeth @bonifartius You have inspired me to catch up with someone I used to know before school. Sadly though, I will have to use Facebook Messenger to do it.

@light @taylan @SilverDeth @bonifartius Oh, nice. Except the Facebook part; hopefully this person is amenable to using Facebook to bootstrap a better protocol.

@taylan @bonifartius @SilverDeth

> I don't agree that "stop antagonizing idiots; don't you want the idiots to become your friends?!" is any kind of good advice.

You're bad at reading. We will not ever be friends, but you are heree trying to drama-whore with me instead of doing something useful or trying to find a friend elsewhere. Your life sucks because you waste your time "antagonizing idiots".

@taylan @SilverDeth @bonifartius

> I could easily make friends if I wanted to

I stopped reading too quickly: this is worth framing.

@taylan @SilverDeth @p @bonifartius
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