Here's why penalizing "off-platform behavior" doesn't work:
1) Necessity. There's not any. Banning something from happening *on* your platform makes sense, because you are liable for it. You are not liable for what is done off your platform, so there's no need to police it. If you're spending money to police it, one has to wonder what ulterior motive is behind that spending.
2) Attribution. It's really hard. Moderators have quotas to meet, and have to keep average ticket handle times low. It's trivial to create an account on some other website with a target's username and start Doin' An Extremism.
The cops fall for it all the time; I've spent three weeks in jail after someone took 5 minutes to make an email account with one of my alternate usernames, and issue a bomb threat from it. If the police can't tell the difference, do you really think an overworked, underpaid moderator is going to? Get real.
3) Context. It's important. What's considered normal banter in, for example, a video game ("I'm gonna come kill you!") could be seen as a violent threat without context. Maybe an exterminator bragged on his LinkedIn about "killing over a million of the annoying things," and there's likely similar examples for hundreds if not thousands of hobbies/industries. Twitter has had this problem before, in fact it's happened to both me and an Elite Dangerous player. Only the latter got his account back.
This dovetails with point 2; Moderators typically would only have a screenshot of the reported "off-platform" behavior. At best, they would have a link to it, but remember that when following that link, they're viewing it as any other internet user, so insights they normally have as a moderator, won't be present.
4) The Future. Your users cannot predict it. If penalization for "off-platform behavior" becomes the norm, then it becomes necessary for all users, on all services, to abide by the most restrictive rules of any service that they ever plan to use, including services that may not have even been created yet.
If you think penalizing "off-platform" behavior is a good idea, switch the roles around a bit. Imagine if Walmart (or your store of choice) didn't like *your* social media posts and decided to ban you from their stores. Not some nebulous concept of an out-group member you want to see punished for existing. YOU and YOUR beliefs.
Remember point 4. Even if you're sure you're 100% clean today, what's in vogue can change quickly.
In closing, I'd like to add that if Discord is serious about removing from their platform, anybody who has had anything to do with child grooming, they're *definitely* not gonna have enough moderators to do background checks on every user who gets reported. Because they're gonna have to toss out like 90% of their moderation staff.
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@valhalla
bit of rambling answer:
ukraine, certainly it's people, is the victim here.
i don't think that the narrative we get in the west is the truth though. azov battalion is just ignored, because it would mean that putin is at least partially right about denazification.
essentially the west fucked up big times and now hasn't got the balls to admit it.
we build north stream pipelines despite the gas imports to middle and western europe were a kind of life insurance for ukraine. we could just have not done that. gas would be a bit more expensive.
parallel to that we always provoked russia by adding more nato members (essentially cuban missile crisis in reverse), sanctions, accusations of meddling in votes, etc. while the west happily led wars for 20 years in the middle east. because "war on terror".
i think it's mistaken to think that "the west" as construct is in any way more noble in the big picture. we just fuck our own people over in other ways. our wars are in a more comfortable distance and are rainbow colored.
it's not that the war in ukraine is right in any sense, it's that the west is corrupt and evil as well. the west never had any interest in ukraine being a stable democracy. it has interest in getting cheap gas from russia. it's all lies and bullshit and i can't really stand that shit anymore.
@Elfie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duga_radar
> The duga at Chernobyl was the focus of the 2015 documentary film, The Russian Woodpecker, by Chad Gracia. The film includes interviews with the commander of the duga, Vladimir Musiets, as well as the Vice-Commander, the Head of the Data Center, and others involved in building and operating the radar. The documentary, which won numerous awards, also includes drone video footage of the array and handheld video footage of the surroundings as well as a climb to the top by the cinematographer, Artem Ryzhykov. The film also proposes a conspiracy theory that the Chernobyl disaster was engineered to cover up failures in the radar's design.
@shibao you mean getting shot while your spouse watches? very romantic, yes.
you know, i'd really like to believe the "russia evil - west good" memery of our media. would be much more comfortable not having to question the narrative all the time (it at least happens automatically as inner monologue).
the problem is the west has fucked up so many times by doing evil things and lying about it that i consider every version 100% bullshit by now.
allende? killed by us goons for actually building a not shitty socialist country.
weapons of mass destruction in irak? well, sorry, we must have shelled that region back to stone age for nothing!
german NSU? whoops sorry, agencies were involved all the time.
gladio? don't worry about the right wing sleeper cells all over europe!
literally goes on forever. i might as well believe the other sides version and certainly would be not farther from the truth than with believing western media.
@thor never set up mastodon, but can't you run it from a git clone? should be possible with a ruby program.
@thor on the other hand: headstamp publishing wanted to print a book written by someone who served in azov battallion. they got a shitstorm because azov is allegedly full of nazis.
@Mr_NutterButter we have much green electricity, but it's uncommon here in germany to heat with it (because it was deemed too inefficient..). you'd have to fit millions of houses with new stuff instead of central heat powered by gas. nobody does that if gas is cheap enough. i think in other parts of europe like france using electricity for resistance heating is more common. the sane alternative are heat pumps, but you can't easily retrofit them.
fun fact: meanwhile the greens in germany want to kill heating with wood because of the soot.
@thor there isn't much good footage imo.. on the other hand it's probably pointless to try to find out whats happening anyway, because every side puts it's spin on it.
not that this has prevented me of spending too much time on reading about it today :P
@thor well, western armies have a great track record of drone-striking weddings.
i think the west should _really_ tread carefully accusing russia of things. we do treat our own populace better (if they aren't honking too loud), but the damage we do in other countries is enourmous. the west has had blood on his hands for decades now.
that, of course, still doesn't make attacking ukraine right. i can't stand the two-facedness of our nations though.
@thor shoot it down.
the point is that the spin of russia targeting civilian residencies is wrong (at least as it seems in this case), because they didn't target there.
that doesn't make shooting stuff better in the first place.
@thor supposedly that damage was by a cruise missile downed by ukraine air defense.
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