at some point in the last few months my general estimation of the queer community and most queer people turned from positive to negative. for decades it felt like The Queers were unquestionably on the proverbial right side of history, and now it seems like the wrong one, and i feel increasingly uncomfortable labeling myself "queer" because i feel like i'm associating myself with and helping give cover to something deeply sick and wrong and broken in our society. i still associate with a lot of people who haven't had this happen, whose feelings about queers and queerness are stuck in the positive setting, and it often feels like talking to someone living in a completely alien reality utterly detached from mine

@velartrill I think this is largely due to two factors, the popularity of post-modernism (the ideology, not the alias for "stuff i don't like") and the cult/group mentality enabled by social media.

Post-modernism as an epistemological relativistic ideology (i.e. subjective idealism) states that all interpretations of reality are equally valid and that empirical evidence has little to no value. When this is put together with the ability of social media to dehumanize others and create mobs we have the quick and strong rise of the "narrative" that manages to acquire enough acceptance first. From there anyone that deviates from this line of though is quickly cut off, or "cancelled", by the mob.

Of course the fact that the fact that people in general have poor critical capacity, due to the deficient education system in most countries, doesn't help much either.

Why and how post-modernism managed to gain so much acceptance is still a puzzle to me.

The fact that dumb 13 year old kids from /b/ "warned" me about this as early as 2012 makes me feel weird.

gamers rise up i guess?

@compass_straight_edge yeah i'm familiar with postmodernism. i agree this ideology is very postmodern, what i'm not clear on is what all the concrete influences that led to its development actually were. there's a few names that keep coming up in the literature (the Combahee River Collective for one), and some of the Woke ideology is strikingly similar to (of all things) the ideology of the Weathermen and certain elements of maoism. BUT, the people i see pushing this ideology are universally idiots and madmen who haven't read a serious political book in their lives (much less '80s student pamphlets), so where the fuck is it coming from??
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@velartrill I've given it some thought. And by that I mean that pondered about the subject while eating. This is not my area of expertise.

I was not able to find a reasonable explanation but all my approaches were based on imagining post-modernism as an active entity. I was trying to figure out how it could have distorted the mind of people.

It has just recently (today) occurred to me that maybe a better approach would be to look for a hole where post-modernism could fall, by mere accident, and then grow it's root. This hole could be the "social media model".

You seem more versed on the subject than me. Can you think of any other subjective-idealism/social-movement pair in history in which the "ideology fitting a pre-existing hole" pattern appeared and had similar consequences? From there maybe we can find a better explanation.

@compass_straight_edge analogizing to past social phenomena is problematic (heh) here because in those cases there was no real analogue of the internet, which has unique new dynamics and has been so crucial to the development of Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism or whatever we should call it. in that way we're in completely new territory and don't have much in the way of data for making useful predictions.

i suppose you could draw comparisons with the development of the NSDAP or italian fascism, but those took place in such utterly different social conditions (where people would actually, like, read books, and more to the point, signed up to die for what they believed in) that i'm not sure they're really useful. e.g. i doubt the woke brigade will get the point of gassing anyone themselves - they'll just whine and demand that the government do it for them.
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