at some point in the last few months my general estimation of the queer community and most queer people turned from positive to negative. for decades it felt like The Queers were unquestionably on the proverbial right side of history, and now it seems like the wrong one, and i feel increasingly uncomfortable labeling myself "queer" because i feel like i'm associating myself with and helping give cover to something deeply sick and wrong and broken in our society. i still associate with a lot of people who haven't had this happen, whose feelings about queers and queerness are stuck in the positive setting, and it often feels like talking to someone living in a completely alien reality utterly detached from mine

@velartrill I think this is largely due to two factors, the popularity of post-modernism (the ideology, not the alias for "stuff i don't like") and the cult/group mentality enabled by social media.

Post-modernism as an epistemological relativistic ideology (i.e. subjective idealism) states that all interpretations of reality are equally valid and that empirical evidence has little to no value. When this is put together with the ability of social media to dehumanize others and create mobs we have the quick and strong rise of the "narrative" that manages to acquire enough acceptance first. From there anyone that deviates from this line of though is quickly cut off, or "cancelled", by the mob.

Of course the fact that the fact that people in general have poor critical capacity, due to the deficient education system in most countries, doesn't help much either.

Why and how post-modernism managed to gain so much acceptance is still a puzzle to me.

The fact that dumb 13 year old kids from /b/ "warned" me about this as early as 2012 makes me feel weird.

gamers rise up i guess?

@compass_straight_edge yeah i'm familiar with postmodernism. i agree this ideology is very postmodern, what i'm not clear on is what all the concrete influences that led to its development actually were. there's a few names that keep coming up in the literature (the Combahee River Collective for one), and some of the Woke ideology is strikingly similar to (of all things) the ideology of the Weathermen and certain elements of maoism. BUT, the people i see pushing this ideology are universally idiots and madmen who haven't read a serious political book in their lives (much less '80s student pamphlets), so where the fuck is it coming from??
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@velartrill Yet another hypothesis is the social grooming one. You see, in primate societies grooming is very important. It alleviates stress and strengthens bonds.

There have been analogues traced with human societies in which gossip takes the role of grooming.

But you have to gossip about something and with the quick information flow of social media that something comes and goes way too fast. Sometimes leaving people without something to gossip about.

With post-modernism you can make something up to gossip about.

The grooming hypothesis also helps explain the formation of mobs but it doesn't say anything about why the left and queer movements specifically got caught on it.

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