l'empathie mécanique @dpwiz@qoto.org

@reidrac@social.sdf.org what about snaps pissed you off?

I had a fight with a totally flatpacked distro and it was awful beyond any horrors I had with snaps. Basically impossible to do anything in a terminal.

@cwebber would you be shocked if we had opinions on electricity?

@selfsame @everytoilet is biohacking gone too far?..

@doragasu @reidrac@social.sdf.org those security updates are free for personal use, but yeah.

@dpiponi Chromecast is a mess too. I wonder what's so difficult in there, so major corporations with literal billions invested in their stuff can't handle it.

@gsuberland who's KF?

@Danc A horrifying thought of HP BrainJet washing fluid appears...

@cwebber y is down/up

@reidrac@social.sdf.org You can be surprised! People have fun watching very *different* things. Watching bread getting baked certainly has something to it.

@cwebber 203X+ They were...

@reidrac@social.sdf.org you can stream some bread

@underlap @acowley found the discussion about that https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/7548

@underlap @acowley ah, that's cabal the file format

What would you like instead of that? Use toml and skip the custom format entirely?

@underlap @acowley it uses cabal the library, but not the cabal the binary. The naming is unfortunate...

@underlap @acowley Anyway, how adding one more build tool would help?..

We've had `stack` already, with this specific mission of improving user experience. And improve it did. Now we have two concurrent build systems. Meanwhile, users continue to receive the `cabal install whatever` advice and hurt themselves with it.

@underlap @acowley Unless you happen to support Hackage and Stackage the result would be very niche, unusable in anything beyond perhaps online playgrounds. And then users would have to encounter "poor" experience of the real world anyway.

If only we had a library for Common Architecture for Building Applications and Libraries or something like that...

@underlap @acowley There were alternative build systems (like mafia)... I don't know even what is the problem they intended to solve.

Why do you want to replace Cabal?

@underlap @acowley Even GHC2021 is not enough to be convenient in all the important places. Using even restricted language would be no fun.

@zeux what's that? Nvidia fan service?