@Teri_Kanefield
I don't know your age, but I'm 70 and Brownmiller was life-changing for me. It's too bad that your "rant" (no, I don't think it was a rant) is necessary. Thank you for refreshing our collective memory.
@msglincoln @Teri_Kanefield But is it necessary? I mean, there are a lot of shocking things in this thread! Like: someone in the 80s saying if you were more submissive then he wouldn't have to beat you, or rape being a property crime against the father – but like I'm pretty sure >95% of people in the US are against those things, and very enthusiastically so.
Who is holding the implied position that this thread is arguing against?
Coulter certainly doesn't take the position that Kanefield implies she is taking, for example. (read again what she said, she's not being particularly unclear.)
I suggest that making bizarre caricatures of your political opponents is unlikely to be useful.
@ech @msglincoln @Teri_Kanefield It's necessary because so many people don't know this history. And it's not that long ago, so there's probably a greater percentage of people who don't have a problem with it than you think. And with some of those being people with a lot of power means we could see a return to that recent past all too easily.
@EricaBuchberger @ech @msglincoln @Teri_Kanefield
And I can guarantee that the man who sexually assaulted me at work in front of witnesses didn't think he did anything wrong and neither did my male coworkers. I feel certain that the two men who raped me also thought they did nothing wrong and if asked about it would not think that what happened was rape. The date rape guy thought I really wanted it and was just being coy. The boyfriend of one of my friends saw nothing wrong because I was asleep, so I would never know, right?
@ech @msglincoln @Teri_Kanefield
I'll tell you who holds that implied position:
-- Every judge who claims that a rapist -- even one caught in the act, a la Brock Turner -- has had his life ruined by being hauled into criminal court.
-- Every person who asks a woman why she "let it happen" to her
-- Every man who thinks that it's okay to catcall a woman, and then to scream obscenities at her if she doesn't respond.
And that's just off the top of my head.
What all of those people have in common is that they treat women as nothing more than meatpuppets made for the male gaze ... and more.
Thanks, though; I always appreciate the male perspective on women's lived experiences.
@Teri_Kanefield @msglincoln @sharonecathcart @ech I can’t even hike in the desert without being harassed and one guy tried to run me over bc I was ‘hiking with my dogs’: more than this is necessary lol
@ech @msglincoln @Teri_Kanefield I used to think like that, until I realized that stupid assholes like Todd "legitimate rape" Akin are commonplace and often, like Akin, hold positions of power.
@shrockp9 Yeah, or Whoopi Goldberg re. Polanski.
Although if I may be permitted to divine intent I think the point being attempted in these two cases is nowhere near "it's a property crime against the father". (And to my point, it's worth noting Akin lost, almost surely because of his stupid comment.)
Others noted adjacent phenomena like harassment and catcalling: indeed a lot of people are pretty oblivious as to why those kinds of things are harmful. But overall we've come a long way since a lot of the events described in the thread.
@ech i suggest that you go fuck yourself, you utter ghoul.
@ech @msglincoln @Teri_Kanefield
Coulter was being perfectly clear when she advocates for removing the 19th Amendment that granted women the vote.
Republican strategists want women to not vote. There are several ways to accomplish that.
Trauma is one way. Exhaustian & economic duress is another.
So are forced birth programs. Targeted harassment campaigns in social media - all intended to drive women out of public life.
https://www.salon.com/2014/06/12/5_conservatives_who_are_still_mad_women_have_the_right_to_vote_partner/
https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/politics/2021/10/22/ann-coulter-says-women-shouldnt-have-right-vote-19th-amendment-missouri-state-university/8528256002/