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Serious question. Did they find any evidence yet in all the trials and stuff going on that clearly shows #Trump intentionally want the capitol riot?
When it happened I saw little clear evidence it was intentional but at the same time based on his behavior and personality I totally would expect it was intentional and somewhere at some point there might have been a record of him saying he wanted it.... If there is any actual evidence I'd love to see it if anyone has any as I havent been following as closely as I should.
@freemo I've been wondering this also – he said things like "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." in the speech right before. To people who think everything Trump does is axiomatically evil, this is an obvious smoking gun. But, of course, that is embarrassingly absurd: lots of politicians regularly use metaphors like that in their rhetoric.
From what I've heard, it's pretty clear he didn't want any violence or do anything to try to make that happen. He just wanted a protest outside the Capitol building: "we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give... them (republican senators) the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country." and "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
I don't think you're going to get anyone to point to anything better than that.
If he was trying some kind of violent takeover on 1/6, there would have been someone there with something a bit more potent than zip ties.
@freemo I don't always agree with you, but sometimes you say it perfectly. 😂
I feel like the fraud trial has more of a leg to stand on. We'll see, I guess.
@ech hahah I have brief moments of clarity from time to time, best we dont squander them :)
And from what little I know I'd agree there.
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> I've been wondering this also – he said things like "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." in the speech right before. To people who think everything Trump does is axiomatically evil, this is an obvious smoking gun. But, of course, that is embarrassingly absurd: lots of politicians regularly use metaphors like that in their rhetoric.
Thats my thinking. On the surface it is no unusual than any other politicians language at rallies. That said I wouldnt be surprised if Trump intended a riot secretly, it would be like him, but thats not proof and I care more about what is objectively true than what I think about him... So I am very curious if there is any solid evidence or if its just "come on man, you know the dude is evil", even if he is.
> From what I've heard, it's pretty clear he didn't want any violence or do anything to try to make that happen. He just wanted a protest outside the Capitol building: "we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give... them (republican senators) the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country." and "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
On the surface I agree, there is an argument to be made that publicly he made choices that show he was not inciting violence... Though again i am mostly curious about what may have came out in court regarding his intent that was not public. It would not surprise me if people have testified or recordings uncovered where he did intend a riot. If that exists I'd like to know, if not I may not like it but I'd have to admit that a court shouldnt have cause, no matter how much I dislike him or suspect his motives. Evidence is all that matters.