Erik Haugen @ech@qoto.org

@burgerdrome @SubElement I was thinking that, too, but the barrel is not plastic. 😂

@jmcrookston @dangillmor Well, they do send data off the car for "safety-critical events"

They say about Tesla:
* good that they don't sell data to 3rd parties (but you can opt-in, and maybe that is confusing)
* reminder of the scandal regarding employees sharing pictures from the cameras
* privacy policy is somewhat vague in some areas (sharing with law enforcement, and so on)
* if you opt-out of all data sharing, you don't get software updates/etc because they cut all connectivity, so that is stupid

I think those are the highlights.

my note: the picture sharing scandal implies super-poor internal processes for handling customer data, which is unfortunately far too common for low-end tech firms. (I've worked in several, and it is quite shocking.)

@jmcrookston @dangillmor although, the whole "safety-critical event" thing makes me wonder – suppose you're speeding in an accident; will that be subpoenaed?

But I guess they could probably even subpoena your cell records to get that, so I suppose that ship has sailed.

@jmcrookston @dangillmor Is it really the worst, though? They mostly don't send data off the car unless you opt-in or there's a crash/security event or something, and they let you delete everything associated with your account. They seem pretty upfront about what they do. (Unless they are outright lying about it, which I suppose is a possibility.) This article is mostly mocking the agreements, which I appreciate, but as far as what they actually do, it seems about what you'd expect? am I wrong?

I suspect most car makers are actually pretty good, as well. Same problems with any bush-league online merchant apply, of course – financial details stored using less-than-best-practice.

@goc @dangillmor @mozilla The article is mostly making fun of privacy agreements & policies and not very usable about practical questions like that. For example, while Teslas are more than capable of collecting all kinds of information on you, as a practical matter, unless they're just outright lying, which I suppose is possible, they don't send that data off the car in most cases.

I suspect the items about sexual activity are there just because any cameras on the car might pick that up, so they're enumerating it – it is something to keep in mind, I guess?

I suspect most data selling is the same sort of data selling every other merchant does.

This is hilarious.

@obscurestar @flexghost I don't think it's illegal for states to require parents' permission to transport minors out of state for medical procedures. I could be wrong.

@obscurestar @flexghost Right: these laws/etc about abortion aren't like that.

@obscurestar @flexghost These laws aren't really like that incident. The Llano thing seems 100% unenforceable, I'm not really sure what to make of it. The Idaho one is about parental consent, not like roadblocks or something.

@Shadowfalx @turretjust @xs4me2 @flexghost I don't think we can really conclude that his intent was to harm people. I mean, maybe it was, but we don't especially have any reason to think that.

Anyway the bottom line about the gun law thing is he didn't violate any laws, yes? (Did the friend buy the gun illegally for him or something? That would be a thing.) And he didn't travel far away to a place he isn't connected with.

But yeah: he brought a (highly visible) gun to a protest, no question there.

@Shadowfalx @turretjust @xs4me2 @flexghost I'm uneasy about untrained armed people guarding stores, or as you say "cossplay as an unwanted security guard". Especially minors. But these riots were pretty rough; no easy answers here. From what I understand I completely support these guys, for example: https://reason.com/2020/05/29/black-civilians-arm-themselves-to-protest-racial-violence-and-protect-black-owned-businesses/

@Shadowfalx @turretjust @xs4me2 @flexghost aside from the canard about him living far away not being true, apparently he also did not transport the gun across state lines at all. (If that even matters wrt any laws)

@Shadowfalx @turretjust @xs4me2 @flexghost turns out the canard about him traveling far away looking for trouble or whatever isn't really true; his father lived in/near Kenosha; it's his hometown.

@Shadowfalx @turretjust @xs4me2 @flexghost He has a much better case than that. Your point maybe remains, but it wasn't nearly that bad.

@argetlam99 @flexghost I think for many there are questions about the specific facts – was Rosenbaum really a threat and so on. There's self-defense, but that doesn't mean you get to gun down anyone that looks at you sideways – and it isn't always clear-cut.

I don't know if I've seen/heard all the evidence in this case, but it does seem to me like legitimate self defense in all three shootings. At least, I'm a little taken aback by people who talk about it as if it is *of course* murder; I mean, I could understand a different take on it, but ya gotta admit he was being attacked. (Kind of feels like it depends on what "side" you're on, if I'm being cynical.)

I used to think he should be punished for the other gun crimes like taking it across state lines, but it turns out he didn't do any of that at all. And his father lives in/near Kenosha; the canard about driving for 4 hours to some faraway town just to mix it up doesn't seem to hold up.

I'm uneasy about untrained people – especially minors – showing up with guns to defend other people's stores, but these riots were pretty rough. No great answers. I completely understand/support these guys protecting their businesses: https://reason.com/2020/05/29/black-civilians-arm-themselves-to-protest-racial-violence-and-protect-black-owned-businesses/

@flexghost @stevefoerster not just words?

@stevefoerster @flexghost Joseph Rosenbaum also threatened to kill him.

@morecowbell@mastodon.social Your characterization of those areas of Pakistan or Somalia I think is inaccurate and problematic. A lot of areas with no Western-style government that you can understand are being functionally governed nonetheless just fine by other forms of government.