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@Jason_Dodd
I'm confused by this statement. As far as I know no one mentioned brown people or race in any regard. Did you mean to post that reply to some other thread. If not can you explain your remark?

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@freemo @dch @slackz That is my belief that a large part of the reason the initial vote passed is people were against immigration.

But I'm probably wrong and just a US citizen projecting our issues across the pond.

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@Jason_Dodd
Ohhhh well there is some truth to that I think, its just "brown people" dont apply here because the people immigrating were from other European countries which by most definitions are as white as you can get. But yea there was a good portion that didnt like the immigration side of it.

But keep in mind why (not saying i agree, just understand the logic). Basically you have some countries which offer much better social services than others. The EU requires them to accept others from anywhere in the EU, including those from countries without that same level of social welfare.

What you see in a lot of countries (and the reason the netherlands wants to leave the EU in part) is that anyone who is in need of social assistance migrates to the countries with the most social welfare and all the people who make good money and dont want to pay high taxes move away to areas with less social welfare. As you can imagine this dynamic creates all sorts of economic hell and these countries now struggle to support their own populations let alone the immigrants.

In the netherlands you see this in the form of housing shortages even though houses that are vacant are given to low-income families. There just arent enough houses to go around and dutch people who have been on waiting lists forever get rejected so new immigrants can get a home. Obviously the poor and the rich alike here have issue with that and it is a big motivator for the Netherlands wanting to leave the EU too.

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@freemo @dch @slackz

We have similar problems on in various cities I guess. I always joke the solution is to stop paying everyone enough that they can pay high prices for housing :)

On a serious note, I'm seriously considering movie to a country with universal health insurance. So I guess I might soon enough be someone else's 'other'.

Me? I'm for eliminating all borders and treating everyone halfway decently because they're people.

Penty of money to go around.

Water? Maybe not.

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@Jason_Dodd
Yea its kind of like the problems in the USA with cities but worse. I'm an expat so I used to live in the USA, still have a house there and go between holland and home. In the EU its much more significant because you dont have a national tax that is a normalize like you do at the city scale. One country can have almost no tax while another has extremely high tax on the wealthy. So the difference is way more significant.
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