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@masterofthetiger@theres.life
GPL is a hostage negotiation, or at best barter. I'll give you my code if you give me yours. There is nothing "free" about it in my mind.
MIT/BSD/Apache is true freedom "You can have my code, no strings attached, do what you want with it, just promise you will tell people it is open-source and who wrote it!"
Ouch! "Hostage"
That seems overly harsh.
"My" code under GPL is a social benefit contract. You are no hostage. You are free to walk away. You are free to write your own new code...yes, it will need to be from scratch, but if your goal is to make money, you should be prepared to pay the freight.
"My" code is not "yours" to bury under the weight of your proprietary expectations (benefit), added to keep everyone from benefiting from improved software.
@Algot
It has nothing to do with money or proprietary code. The **vast** majority of people hurt by the GPL are the open source developers themselves. Countless and endless man hours invested rewriting GPL code from scratch to do the exact same thing just so it can be used in a library with the rest of the open-source community.
The people who want to write proprietary code are largely unaffected. Afterall you only have to release the code if you distribute an executable, so easily circumvented usually, But those who are donating free code and contributing to the community constantly feel "held hostage" by the GPL. Thus why there has been such a massive effort in recent years to dump it.
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@Algot
You're right, it is counterproductive. Thus the point. It hurts proprietary developers just as much as it hurts open-source ones, thats the key here.
More importantly unless your against people making money I dont see the point. There is no advantage reeally to force companies to re-write things when they could be writing new things.
It seems to be a very short sighted and even a bit childish of a behavior to take this stance of anything that makes money is evil therefore we must sabotage it.
In the end i see no advantage to GPL and just a hell of a lot of people, mostly open-source contributors, being set back by it.
We dont need a community where everyone forces everyone else to use their license or to GTFO, thats not the way to a viable and thriving open-source community.
@masterofthetiger@theres.life
I will not lose my perspective that the "open source community" is one which effectively writes code for your "libraries" which the wise companies who incorporate them do not need to pay for, enhancing their bottom line at someone else's expense.
@Algot
So? Why would I care if someone makes money off of work I was intending to do for free anyway? I fail to see why I should be upset someone else somewhere is making money?
More importantly as someone who does a LOT of Apache licensed code used by companies I can say its hardly the exploitive relationship you describe.
With GPL game over from the begining, they see it and move on. With Apache they will usually use my code and if it is good quality and does something meaningful I am **often** hired and paid as a consultant to either integrate the code or enhance it. I made a living off of it.
So even if you want to talk about people in terms of "making money off your hard earned word" truth is more often than not that tactic still pays the bills, is free, and isnt viral, unlike GPL. Win-win all around.
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@Algot
for?
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@Algot
Well thanks but I'm not sure thats the point.
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@Algot
Just for a bit of background copy-left was the majority of OSS licenses in 2012 (59%:41%)
As of 2016 however permissive licenses have become dominant after a huge effort to do away with GPL (45%:55%)
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@freemo
A "massive effort to dump it" seems counterproductive.
Just write the software you have not been "given" so you can, indeed give it away, yourself.
Have at it...corporations won't mind at all.
Sadly, most users won't notice the impact, grudgingly paying for the proprietary software which relies on those "open" libraries.
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