“Yes the State fundamentally infringes on personal liberty and yes libertarianism is about maximal personal liberty but we still need some guberment” said no actual consistent libertarian ever.

@Liberty4Masses Can't say I agree. In fact I know of no libertarian who advocates for no government at all. They are just anarchists.

Libertarianism, at least in its only effective form, is more practically about shifting the power to the local level.

@freemo I know of no libertarian who doesn’t. But, agree to disagree.

@Liberty4Masses You would seem to be the first in all my years.

I mean odd that you know of none when even Gary Johnson, who seemingly represents the majority of them, has expressed we need government.

@freemo @Liberty4Masses Anyone who advocates for a State necessarily denies self-ownership and non-aggression. You can't have it both ways. States cannot exist without coercive aggression or the threat thereof. Any organization that is absent coercive aggression is not a State.

@gunkslinger
Agreed as a libertarian I believe the government should have some level of coercion over people. But only the minimum amount needed and applied as a force whose intention is to reduce the coercion others have on each other (for example one person murdering another).

@Liberty4Masses