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After the country made vaccines illegal vaccine related death declined. In fact if you compare all countries where vaccines are illegal you will find vaccine related death is almost non existent. But in other countries where vaccines are legal vaccine related death is in the hundreds every year. I think this clearly shows why vaccines kill and should be made illegal.
This is what people who are anti-gun sound like. Do they even realize how absurd and how much lack of understanding they have when it comes to interpreting data and statistics?
@ewok Not sure what every factor for that might be, but it was sourced from government published data. While your of course welcome to disagree with any interpritation of the data the data itself is accurate.
@ggrudanov These numbers are all normalized for population. They are in rates not in absolute numbers stuff like "number per thousand"
@freemo Tbh. I agree that making some regulations as to how easily available guns and firearms are to be purchased and what not would do some good to an extend, but I'm kinda doubtful as to whether completely outlawing owning and even buying any guns/firearms would solve the problem
@Saederup92 There are some fine regulations we could do but we also have to be very careful as to how. There are protections in place that one should understand first, and other consequences.
For example mental health checks would be a HUGE civil rights violation and an easy way for government to selectively restrict access on unfounded grounds.
On the flip side requiring licenses to own guns could work under a few conditions 1) it doesnt allow for reverse searched of who has or doesnt have a license (forward searches only) 2) It cant be denied to anyone capable of passing the course.
@freemo Just needs a balance between liberty and safety
@Saederup92 Why not just address safety without infringing on liberty at all? Its plenty doable.
@freemo Should be possible
@Saederup92 Thats my thinking. In my mind both sides on most issues have some valid points, and the rest is melodrama. Of the valid points I ususally find both sides can be addressed fairly well. In this case I see no exception.
Licensing being a good example in that. By being non-reverse searchable I am satisfying the valid concerns the right has with gun licensing. Also by requirin it and being forward-searchable I am similarly satisfying an argument made by those who are for better controls. I think there are loads of examples like that. Its just no one ever wants to implement a middle ground even if it makes sense.
@freemo At least it won't require a complete rewrite of the American constitution :P
Also, in the US most gun deaths are suicides, not homicides—between half and two-thirds, depending on the year.
@mkb True, good reason why guns should be legal. People have a right to kill themselves, they dont have a right to kill others.
@freemo what point are you trying to make? It seems you are presenting an absurd line of reasoning but the purpose is not clear.
@steko In what way is the reasoning absurd? Be specific.
@freemo "absurd", you wrote. I don't understand if your first paragraph is what you're describing as an absurd line of thought, or the opposite.
@steko But to answer your question the point is: anti-gun people make absurd arguments that are easily debunked by simply applying the same logic to anything else and watching how absurd it is.
It just feels less crazy when you say it about guns because no one is critical of the things they agree with. You hear it enough times and it sounds perfectly normal. Even if you apply it to any other field and it sounds bat shit insane.
@freemo now I understand the point you're trying to make, it wasn't clear at all.
@0xDEADBEEF Sure, its just going to be more obscure because no one has made cars illegal or claim that people owning cars is a bad thing. With vaccines people actually do take that stance.
In theory if we actually had a town where cars were illegal you'd of course find almost 0 car related deaths. But on the flip side many MANY more people are probably dying because they cant get to the hospital in time.
The analogy just doesnt work as well because there arent any anti-car people.
@0xDEADBEEF Its an analogy. If it serves the purpose of demonstrating a valid point go for it. Thats how analogies work.
@0xDEADBEEF Oh sorry, I thought you were here to engage respectfully. Wasnt aware you were just here to troll and make no actual valid points. Please feel free to carry on, I'll be over in the corner doing actual research.
This is more absurdist than provocative; could just be a laugh. Wait I have a chart on humor somewhere...
@0xDEADBEEF I'm not upset or anything. Like i said, no worries, carry on, its all good.
But what would it look like if we considered the data we do with other things (like vaccines)? Well most people would have the common sense not just to look at vaccine related deaths but rather how all deaths, of any kind, are effected. We would look at the death rate overall or specific to disease.
So how do we apply that to guns? Well we would have to compare the overall homicide, or violence rate both before and after a change in gun laws, just as we would look at survivability both before and after the introduction of vaccines.
So lets do that shall we. I will continue this thread with statistics from as many various countries I can find comparing their homicide and violence rates both before and after gun laws are passed. I'll add a new statistic to each reply in this thread.