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Did we seriously just get our first "vaccines cause autism" post on QOTO... sad day. Lets hope this doesnt become a trend and we keep having real science here.
@freemo
No, we did not.
@sda Oh thank gosh, I was worried for a second :)
Hmmm.... yet you immediately characterize certain studies as "not real science" without even looking at them, even going so far as to bring out a strawman for them.
The impression I got was that anything negative about vaccines is junk science. That vaccines are 100% benefit with 0% risk. I'm sure that's not how you actually feel, but that was the sense of what you wrote.
No, you didnt provide "real studies" you provided a power point presentation with pictures from what they claimed to be real studies with no links to any actual studies with which me, or anyone else could use to evaluate the facts.
Since you presented no "real studies" or anything of substance I relied on the thousands of studies i already read on the topic which came to a solid conclusion already.
Keep in mind this is no different than how I wouild treat a flat earther. If they had a real experiment or study to back up their claim I'd happily read it and almost certainly inevitably debunk it, or atleast learn something new and strange about physics. But should a flat earther fail to provide any such information I would otherwise result to my default, and well established, determination that the earth is round.
@freemo @xyfdi
All the links are within the power point, If I can make them out though my cataracts, certainly your eyeballs can.
You simply chose to call the entire thing junk science before investigating the included doi's.
(The title used by Hacker News was a bit clickbaity... FOIA was certainly not necessary)
I normally find you to be fairly balanced and open minded, but somehow you lump every study that demonstrates a risk with vaccines to be "flat earth."
Again, are you ACTUALLY saying that every study that finds risk with vaccines to be flat earth quality? Without even looking at it?
1) I specifically asked you for links to the study, dont assume what I did, I was unable to find them nor did i read or see any links, which is why i **asked** you for them
2) I said nothing of the sort. What I did say was that every study I did read was flat earth quality, though very few even exist. Since you did not provide any studies that I could read that might have been quality I presumed that is likely the case here as well, since I was not given the means to determine otherwise.
Please stop with the hyperbole and misrepresentation of what I said or did.
Let me remind you:
Did we seriously just get our first "vaccines cause autism" post on QOTO... sad day. Lets hope this doesnt become a trend and we keep having real science here.
NONE of those studies say that "vaccines CAUSE autism." That would be hyperbole and misrepresentation. I'm sorry this seems to be such a hot button issue for you.
@sda
Thats a very weak excuse. Anyone who sees the power point presentation can clearly see that was the intended purpose, particularly considering the cherry picked nature of the screen shots.
Moreover I researched the source of the powerpoint before i commented, as I tend to do (unlike your suggestion that i didnt even read it). The source is one that routinely takes the stance regarding drawing links between autism and other diseases and vaccines without ever providing the counter evidence in a fair or balanced way.
Also to be clear, since you seem to wish to misrepresent me when you dont agree with me...
I do **not** lump every study that shows risk as being absurd. Only the ones that are actually absurd (or in this case are a screen shot in a power point presentation with no legible link to a source).
There are a few real risk factors with vaccines, allergic reaction to those with egg allergies are a good one and presents a real risk factor that can even result in death.
Autism however has been shown with far more studies than were ever needed, to be unrelated to vaccines.
@freemo Oof