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Just a reminder, the house vote on impeachment wasnt even supported by all democrats. 2 democrats voted against it and all republicans voted against it. They couldnt even get support from democrats and they knew damn well they couldnt get support for 2/3 of the senate.
I hate trump and want him out of office as much as anyone, but the impeachment caused me to loose all respect for democrats.
It looks more like a desperate attempt to manipulate the 2020 election and win, rather than any real attempt at impeachment. Sad thing is they probably hurt their cause more than helped. I know I have lost what little respect for the democrats I had despite my hatred of trump.
@freemo I support them in principle. The fact that they strongly suspect the senate won't accept the impeachment, doesn't change that they do as the constitution intended.
Also, I believe the fact that some democrats voted against the impeachment shows that the democratic party left the vote up to their representatives. I'm pretty sure the Republicans party put a lot more pressure on theirs. It's clear that any republican breaking the party line would end his career that very second.
@freemo Since some democrats were already suspected/known to vote against means any democrat had the liberty to do so as well without much additional stigma. Not so on the rep side.
I think you get my point.
I'm sure many republicans agreed that the events leading to impeachment happened and agreed that they are impeachable offenses. That they voted against the articles only shows they voted partisan and not in good faith.
@stevenroose @freemo
I think the whole 'requirement' to vote according to party lines is a decease. (not just in the US)
If 'you' really believe so, then you should get rid of the whole representative democracy thingie and replace it with a (weighted) party vote system.
I'd imagine the vast majority of america would love to do away with the two party system. Me personally I'd like to see parties as a whole disappear.
@freemo
I can understand forming of parties as a way to division labor as you can't be an expert in all areas. But there surely are (potential) issues.
I think a 2 party system is toxic, like life/society is all black and/vs white. Consequently I like that we in .nl have so many parties.
@FreePietje @freemo Can't be worse than Belgium. In our Federal election we have both Flemish and Wallon parties and if you're from either region you can't vote for parties of the other region. So we have everything double: greens, socialists, liberals, conservatives, communists, you name it, but times two. Logically we hold/held the world record for time without government, I think about 600 days. It's a disgrace.
