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Merry Brexit day everyone!
Probably the smartest thing the UK has done in a long while. Lets hope this is a sign they are moving in the right direction and we see the markets recover and thrive in the near future. I just hope the Netherlands follows suite soon.
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@freemo Why do you think it's beneficial for UK (and for whom in UK)?
@blizzz by decentralizing power it reduces the possibility of corruption. It also makes it hard or impossible to optimize laws and trade for a local culture. It also means increased efficiencies as larger entities tend to have. But all of that aside its not really the biggest reason for me.
The biggest reason is that by keeping laws and governments local you get more diversity in trying to solve problems (every entity is free to attempt their own solutions. This leads to better solutions that in time other countries can adopt.
Take healthcare as a general example when considering this pattern. I think most people who look at healthcare objectively can clearly see that the US system of healthcare is unacceptable, this is particularly easy to see if you arent american. However the converse is true too, the european idea of healthcare is also clearly very broken, this too is much easier to see outside of the EU though. Both systems fail in totally different ways and both systems succeed in totally different ways. If all we had were a few mega-governments then these two approachs are pretty much all we would have (aside from a few minor variations locally), yet they are utter failures and we would be stuck with it.
If we had more local-power, distributed power, rather than what we have now (and sadly have had for a while) we probably would have much better solutions to a lot of problems, healthcare included.
@freemo I am not sure about the corruption part. For one, corruption is more common in local environments, where relations are close and one hand washes the other. This is not exclusive to politics, but also regional media etc.
I would agree if you mean it in a way of influence. Lobbyism by corporations is far too big in the EU and it is rather tough for civil organiziations, alone by their smaller financial power.
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@freemo For the other, there are different ways of EU policy and in the end there is just a rough most common denominator defined that has to be implemented in national law. So there is still certain room for a country's own interpretation. Esp. – but maybe i do not know enough – about health care. If you travel around, you are insured. If you live abroad, you are bound to the nation's regulation. Whenever health was changed here in Germany, there was barely any EU regulation in place. (2/3)
@freemo Further, UK moved itself into a position where it has a very weak standpoint for negotiations. Trump will press anything out of them, and now when UK has to strike a deal with the EU there is little they can demand. Previously, they have been on of the most influential members.
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@blizzz The only reason the UK is in a bad position is because the EU is obligated to discourage people from leaving the EU, so they have to make it appear that way. It is why they have engineered the negotiations in general to not be very charitable. It is suppose to look that way, in truth its not how it will play out.
The UK is a big player, its in the EU's best interest to have close relationship with them. The EU started as a trade coalition, in that sense it was a good thing and hopefullly that is how the UK's relationship will evolve again. The EU needs the UK so after some time of pressure it almost certainly will be the case. So in all likelihood they will be just as capable, in time, at negotiating with the US as ever. The power never came from sharing and enforcing laws across europe, that power came from economic alliance, and even at times military alliance.
@freemo Of course EU is acting in it's own interesting, it would be irrational not to. When UK decides to leave it, obviously it is at the costs of the benefits EU brings them. UK itself is a far more smaller market than EU without UK. Japan told them. It's not just the EU behaving accordingly.