@J @jasonl8446 being allowed to be an asshole is freespeech too. But youd better learn how to set up an instance yourself if you care about being able to be that
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I disagree. Free speech by definition only protects one's expression of opinion. It does not, however, protect how you express that opinion, nor does it protect non-opinion assertions.

For example it does not protect lies.

It does not protect hate speech

It does not protect calls to action

It does not protect inciting violence.

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@freemo @igeljaeger @J @jasonl8446

Where did you hear this? Lying and hate speech is covered under the first amendment.

The only cases where they aren't is when they cause tangible harm to others (lying about somebody causes others to attack them, or damages their reputation so they can't get a job, or hate speech that inspires others to commit real-life harassment).

And most non-violent calls to action should be okay, too.

@freemo @igeljaeger @J

> For example it does not protect lies.

That is wrong, only when it causes damage, such as calls to action or violence it is not protected

> It does not protect hate speech

This is also wrong, you are allowed to say you do not like someone. Only when it becomes inciting violence or call to action, it is not protected

> It does not protect calls to action

Depends on the action. Using the example of yelling fire in a theatre. It is normally not protected, but there is a case where it is protected, when there is actually a fire in the the theatre.

> It does not protect inciting violence.

That is true

@freemo @igeljaeger @J @jasonl8446
I think you're reading "freedom of speech" as "freedom of opinion". I'm quite certain that stating lies when not under oath is totally no violation of freedom of speech.

@stevenroose

No I am talking about the actual and specific definition, as dictated by dictionaries, here is the one from merriam webster's, notice the explicit use of the word "opinions":

the legal right to express one's opinions freely

As for the more legal aspect of your statement. No if you speak lies, even when not under oath, that would fall under slander, and is subject to legal action (in writing it would be called libel). It is not protected speech.

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