The tyranny and fascism currently being exhibited in so many states in the #USA is kinda making me want to run for office, ngl
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@freemo
Mandatory lockdowns, arresting people for being outside (esp. when social distancing or with family members), arbitrarily forcing companies to not reopen, etc.
@realcaseyrollins Mandatory quarintine in the event of pandemics is fine. The key is simply ensuring it is based on data to ensure it will be transient.
I'm more concerned about the lack of checks against it. Some criteria that dictates when it must end and under what conditions.
@freemo
I'm curious; what is the point of continuing the lockdowns? And is the #Coronavirus a good enough reason to starve people? Because we all know that starvation has a higher mortality rate than the #Coronavirus.
I am of the opinion that we should be gradually reducing the lockdown and monitoring ICU bed counts as we do, and adjust the lockdown conditions as we go along.
So I agree, full lock down should not be contnued blindly. But we also cant just abolish it outright without having the same issues crop up again. We need to make sure it is perportional.
@freemo I would agree if there were ICU shortages/capacity issues. But there aren't.
What "issues" are you referring to, which would crop up?
@realcaseyrollins There **Were** ICU shortages which prompted the lockdown in the first place. Obviously ICUs no longer have a shortage condition specifically because of those lockdowns, the lockdowns worked.
The issues that could potentially crop back up is seeing the same ICU shortages we were seeing before the lockdown. Though immunity may have spread enough this wouldnt happen, which is why we would need to gradually lift restrictions and continue to monitor the shortage to determine what level of lockdown, if any, makes sense given the current herd immunity.
@freemo Well I agree with this. This is one of the few reasons to continue the lockdown.
I think one this that should happen too is, when you compare states with lots of cases and deaths to those that don't, they're greatly outnumbered. There are states with barely any cases at all, so of course, their ICUs won't be as full. If it's possible to securely send people with the #Coronavirus to ICUs in neighboring states, that would be nice, because it would help, I think.
@realcaseyrollins yea that makes sense. Though our resources to do that securely (hazmat equipment) is likely limited for that sort of scale.
Either way I agree in principle that the lockdown needs some checks. There should be a strong push to reduce it and modulate it based on the actual numbers we see.
I've said fromt he begining the biggest issue with lockdown isnt its existance but the lack of a clear gameplan of when and how it ends.
