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@ashwinvis Why would whites being 75% of the population make it ok for unarmed whites to be murdered?
One person, and sadly those people would exist regardless. They are not an excuse for us to have intentional tunnel vision around the issue however.
Best to just ignore them (or set them straight) and focus on the truth without remorse for how people might twist the facts.
systemic racism is absolutely **part** of the discussion. I made that clear in my post. but no that is not the whole of the issue.
The issue is that police brutality is murdering thousands upon thousands of unarmed people each year of every color. There is a racist element in that which needs to be discussed, and I am glad you are willing to discuss that aspect, but it is not the whole of the problem, nor where the solution lies, at least not in its entierty.
Most of the solutions we need to look at are things like how police cover up for each other whent hey murder someone (of any color), or how they are militarized, also an issue that faces people of every color. Those are just as relevant as the fact taht racism is allowed to exist in the police force at all, which also needs to be addressed.
To assume that the whole problem reduces to racism while ignore then non-racial issues of police brutality and corruption in general, will not lead us down any last solution.
1) if you read this movement as anything but a racially motivated movement against racist institutions, you read it wrong
2) The movement has declared the police unfixable for all the reasons you said and more and demand they be defunded disbanded immediately, and they already are being disbanded in Minneapolis. We DO recognize that the police are fundamentally broken.
Again none of that seems accurate..
On point #1 I have seen countless people bringing up points outside of race from police brutality, to classism. The movement is not what you dictate it to be and there are many issues at play for many different people. Most of their respective tunnel vision to the parts they care about. Race is one major aspect, so are others.
2) no the movement didnt demand that or determine any such things. There are many different opinions and views as to the solution and you are in fact the first who has declared that specific set of demands which I have heard.
I think you suffer from a line of thinking where you assume the views of you and your friends (who are most likely to think like you) somehow represents a consensus of the whole, it does not.
I literally live in the middle of one of the worst riot zones in this whole mess.. Yes I am on the ground and the entire city has been involved in this.
I am aware of the opinions of the Black Lives Matter leadership, they do not, however, get to speak for the whole of society, though their opinions should be considered. Many, if not most, disagree with their proposed solution and offer their own, even many black people.
Except abolishing police simply wont happen and the vast majority of people dont support it. So while its a nice dream perhaps, that isnt how any of this is going to go even if racism stays the only focus.
except this isnt an accurate analogy. to be an accurate analogy it would have to be someone with two legs shot and bleeding out being cared for and another person with just one leg shot and bleeding out asking "arent you going to take care of me too?"
Well again, we are talking in pure analogy. I'd say the debate is over this point as it isnt going to generate anything useful beyond the points we have already raised.
Thank you for your input.
Which is why i never said we need to talk about something. I did say it is harmful to progress not to however.
In fact I have reiterated multiple times and even stated in my original post that not only are BLM supporters correct for bringing their perspective of the issue to the larger debate, but that it should be only one aspect of the larger debate.
Only that we cant have tunnel vision for just that one aspect and expect it to be a positive result.
And it just so happens that when we're done with the police, they won't kill white people too