@ashwinvis Why would whites being 75% of the population make it ok for unarmed whites to be murdered?

@freemo @ashwinvis look what you did, you invited people into your thread that are rambling about black on black crime statistics from the CIA, an organization that as everyone knows, loves blacks.

@penny

One person, and sadly those people would exist regardless. They are not an excuse for us to have intentional tunnel vision around the issue however.

Best to just ignore them (or set them straight) and focus on the truth without remorse for how people might twist the facts.

@ashwinvis

@freemo @ashwinvis The truth is this is incredibly tone deaf, this is not about a single person, this is about systematic issues and victims of systematic issues. When white people are killed proportionally 2-3x less they are not victims of systematic racial issues.

@penny

systemic racism is absolutely **part** of the discussion. I made that clear in my post. but no that is not the whole of the issue.

The issue is that police brutality is murdering thousands upon thousands of unarmed people each year of every color. There is a racist element in that which needs to be discussed, and I am glad you are willing to discuss that aspect, but it is not the whole of the problem, nor where the solution lies, at least not in its entierty.

Most of the solutions we need to look at are things like how police cover up for each other whent hey murder someone (of any color), or how they are militarized, also an issue that faces people of every color. Those are just as relevant as the fact taht racism is allowed to exist in the police force at all, which also needs to be addressed.

To assume that the whole problem reduces to racism while ignore then non-racial issues of police brutality and corruption in general, will not lead us down any last solution.

@ashwinvis

@freemo @ashwinvis almost every detail you gave is irrelevant in the face of two things

1) if you read this movement as anything but a racially motivated movement against racist institutions, you read it wrong

2) The movement has declared the police unfixable for all the reasons you said and more and demand they be defunded disbanded immediately, and they already are being disbanded in Minneapolis. We DO recognize that the police are fundamentally broken.

@penny

Again none of that seems accurate..

On point #1 I have seen countless people bringing up points outside of race from police brutality, to classism. The movement is not what you dictate it to be and there are many issues at play for many different people. Most of their respective tunnel vision to the parts they care about. Race is one major aspect, so are others.

2) no the movement didnt demand that or determine any such things. There are many different opinions and views as to the solution and you are in fact the first who has declared that specific set of demands which I have heard.

I think you suffer from a line of thinking where you assume the views of you and your friends (who are most likely to think like you) somehow represents a consensus of the whole, it does not.

@ashwinvis