@Wetrix He pardoned more people, but im not sure that makes him worse in that regard. It would depend on who he pardoned and why.

Overall though, not talking about pardons, I tend to agree. His murder of a US citizen without trial or other due process is an act Trump hasnt come close to comparing to.

@freemo that link had all the people he pardoned and why. There's some doozies in there 😎😊

@Wetrix Yea I just woke up havent checked on the pardoning from either side yet.

@freemo
Not only did her murder that man, he murdered his 12 year old son, and planned a mission in Yemen that was executed a month after Trump took office that killed his 3 year old daughter. All 3 of them were Americans.
@Wetrix

@mistermonster

The mission in Yemen was rejected by Obama and obama scrapped it with no intention of it being executed. Trump however revived it and decided to execute it. Any consequences of the yemen mission are on Trump.

@Wetrix

@freemo
I've never heard that, but I know that a lot of missions that are done between administrations are left for the next president to decide, and I know this particular one was done on a new moon to be unnoticed, and yet the targets were prepared, and there's speculation that they were tipped off ahead of time.

Covert, special operations and intelligence stuff is really fucky to me and most of the time I don't trust public information about it.
@Wetrix

The Obama administration refused to approve the raid; the Guardian reported that it had been reviewed several times, citing an anonymous government source.[27]

The approval of the Yakla raid did not follow the rigorous procedure used during the administrations of George W. Bush and Barack Obama, which involved a Situation Room meeting that detailed the operational plan, operational goals, a risk assessment (to both U.S. personnel and civilians), and a legal assessment of the operation. Instead, the raid was approved over dinner conversations between Trump, his son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner, his special adviser Steve Bannon, and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis.[30] Mattis, along with General Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, presented the plan; then-National Security Advisor Michael Flynn was also at the dinner.[31][32] No representatives from the State Department were present, departing from the norms of previous administrations.[32] Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner both reportedly opposed the mission.[32] Flynn reportedly strongly advocated for the mission to President Trump.[32]

The decision did not go through the normal National Security Council (NSC) channels, through which heads or deputy heads of all agencies with a stake in the operation would be consulted.[31] U.S. military officials stated that the assault went forth "without sufficient intelligence, ground support, or adequate backup preparations."[33]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Yakla

@mistermonster @freemo we've been lied to so much by the government I don't believe anything they say anymore. The constitution isn't worth the paper it's written on now. Snowden proved that. Along with the patriot act.🗽

@Wetrix

10 years ago i might have said thats conspiracy theory talk... now... they lie so much its like they stopped even trying to look honest. Its almost pathological, they lie even when there isnt a need to.

Like take trump, there is a laundry list of legit things to complain about, yet for some reason all the liberals have done is lie and exagerate on every point, making themselves look worse than Trump. If they had just told the truth they would have come out smelling like roses and Trump would have actually looked pretty shitty without any need to lie and exagerate.

@mistermonster

@freemo @mistermonster the reason they hate Trump so much is that he's an outsider. He wasn't supposed to BEAT Hillary. Everyone knows that. When he did it put the political world on its head.

America first? Someone putting China in check with tariffs? Someone not letting caravans of illegals into the USA? Bringing jobs back from overseas This wasn't supposed to happen!!!

And so the entire establishment had only one mission for 4 years. Get rid of the outsider. 🇺🇸

@Wetrix I'm not sure i entirely agree. I will admit there is some of it that is him being an outsider and all that, but I think its far more cold and calculated than that.

Trump is a horrible politician in the sense that he is a very poor liar, generally low intelligence, and spews garbage most of the time he opens his mouth. The things he says are not well worded and as such can easily be twisted and used against him since it often lacks clarity due to his low spoken intelligence.

This is a goldmine from the perspective of the democrats whose first goal is do anything they can to discredit the GOP, valid or not. They can, and do, easily manipulate his words and takes what he says (often out of context or distorted) and make it look and sound like he is hitler reincarnate (when really he is more like a reincarnation of hitler's court jester, if he had one). Trump is a democrats wet dream when it comes to doing a character assassination on the GOP, and it worked.

So it wasnt so much that they hated him, it was more that he was the perfect person to hate to suite the agenda.

@freemo that's exactly it though you said it yourself, he's not a politician 😊

Ignore what Trump says and look at what he does.

Brang all the troops home
Stabilized the middle east
Stopped aliens coming in2 USA
Put America first
Didn't start any wars
Said it's ok to say merry Xmas again

This is all stuff politicians don't do.

No wars and a stable middle east is bad for business for the industrial industrial war complex. 🏭😊

@Wetrix Well now your changing the topic (which I dont mind) from "why do the democrats hate him"... to "hey he wasny a bad president"... but ok lets do that.

He did some good and I'll be the first to agree liberals minified and ignored virtually all the good points someone could mention, and there were a few.

But by the same token he did some horrific things that requires a unique level of stupidity to accomplish... his war on climate change and then science and the environment more generally, for example, was embarrassing.

@freemo there's alot of scientists coming forward saying that this is a normal cycle for the earth 🌏🔬

The thing is if you don't say 'climate change' you don't get funding & grants 😁

Climate change is just the latest in a long line of money making tactics.

Before it was a mini ice age
Then a nuclear winter
Then the ozone layer
Then running out of oil
The war on drugs
The war on terror
etc etc etc

I'm not saying it's not real but it's about 💰like everything else.

@Wetrix Sorry but thats a complete fiction on the same level as being a flat earther, that is where we will have to part ways on any semblance of an agreement.

@freemo that's ok I'm here to have fun 🙂 i hope your having a merry Christmas!!!

@Wetrix I am thanks, you as well.

@freemo np. My bad for getting into politics 😊❤️

@Wetrix Just cause I disagreed with you doesnt mean it was bad. Plus to be fair our disagreement was unrelated to politics, it was related to science :)

@freemo is all good I drank two 26ers of since until I ran out of booze lol 😂

@Wetrix sounds like a good plan :)

@freemo I had to go look this up bc I didn't remember what I said lol 😂

@Wetrix @freemo @mistermonster

I still wonder if the Russians, in fact, interfered with the *rigging* of the 2016 election. No wonder the Dems were so pissed....

@vandys @freemo @mistermonster the Russian collision was all proven to be BS from the left 😊

@Wetrix
Dang lol I leave for a few hours and you're not holding back on your views. I never took you for a very political person. I like when people talk about what they think.
@vandys @freemo

@mistermonster @vandys @freemo I have lots of views but I try to by nice 😂

@Wetrix
Yeah I have a lot of views too, I try to stay away from the politics of people and names and parties and representatives and talk about ideas whenever anything political comes up. Of course I have my opinions on all the names and faces we see everywhere every day but I don't really see much benefit from always being concentrated on it. People have their heels dug in about the people and the parties and the talking points, but if you can talk about actions people can take in their own lives, or the reasons for the way things are, conversations like that are more rewarding.
@vandys @freemo

@mistermonster @vandys @freemo agreed 🙌🏻😁

@mistermonster @vandys @freemo yeah I try not to get into politics but I drank 2 bottles of wine in like an hour last night 🍷🍾😅

@Wetrix
Lol wine is great. I make wine. Free booze 24/7
@vandys @freemo

@vandys @freemo @mistermonster no, that's been 200% debunked by the Muller investigation. God knows they tried to find ANYTHING in Trump to hang him lol 😂

Notice how since the dems won with Biden there hasn't been a whisper of Russian interference this year? 😉

Oh no totally legit this year! Russia sat this one out because we won! 😎

@Wetrix @vandys @mistermonster

@freemo @vandys @mistermonster there's no message here 😊 it's blank lol

@Wetrix You cant see the image I attached?

@freemo no I didn't see anything 😕

@Wetrix @mistermonster @freemo I'm sill wondering if Snowden is a Clinton asset. I hope Trump pardons Assange, but if he doesn't and doesn't touch Snowden, it gives more credibility that's he's what's known as a "Limited Hangout" operation; basically a disinfo campaign similar to COINTELPRO or Operation Mockingbird.

@freemo @Wetrix I think it was Clinton who pardoned Rosenberg, a member of the Weather Underground and domestic terrorist. She now runs an organization called Thousand Currents which funds several BLM chapters and is also a funnel for Soros backed funding.