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Yet another indication Joe is clueless.. I dont care so much about the pipeline workers, but I do care about the environment. Blocking pipelines means more pollution, and a hell of a lot of it. But Joe is either not smart enough to understand that or cares more about his image than doing good. No surprise.
@freemo I think you pasted the wrong image. That's not talking about a pipeline. Anyway, are you saying that an oil pipeline does not facilitate burning fossil fuels?
The image is Bidens response when asked about how he blocked the pipeline the effect it would have on workers. So yea its about the pipeline.. why what image do you see?"
And yes i am saying that a pipeline does not facilitate burning oils, well not exactly. Oil can get from point A to point B many ways, the three main ways are train, truck, and pipeline. The quantity of oil transported is based on demand, blocking one of these only causes the oil to move by the other and has no effect on the amount of oil in circulation or consumed.
Combine that fact with the fact that of those three ways pipeline contributes by far the least amount of pollution per barrel.
So the effect of blocking the most evo-friendly mode of transport and forcing companies to utilize significantly less eco-friendly modes of travel is not that there is less facilitation of oil, only that there is far far more pollution and little else to gain.
@freemo ah, my bad.. I pasted the wrong URL (I use bitlbee not a GUI). The pipeline reduces the delivery cost, which has the ultimate effect of increasing consumption.
@koherecoWatchdog Not really the effect is marginal..
That would be like arguing we need to push for more coal energy because coal is less economical and costs people more therefore it reduces consumption.
Increasing price by 10 cents and then ensuring the oil you deliver pollutes x3 as much as it would otherwise is no win.
@freemo You have to pay drivers, pay for the fuel itself, pay for the infrastructure (like office workers) to schedule deliveries, etc. So of course there's a substantial cost savings with the pipeline or the profit-driven oil co wouldn't be trying to do the pipeline. The actual pollution from the trucks/trains is marginal.
@koherecoWatchdog None of that is based on reality unfortunately in terms of the actual data.
The contributed pollution from trucks hauling oil across country is astronomical. Any area that needs a pipeline likely does not have access to trains so its going to be by truck not train.
The cost for drivers is offset by the cost for pipeline engineers. You have fewer pipeline engineers but they cost 5x as much to hire, so thats a moot point.
I dont think you realize just how many trucks we are talking here, 10,000 + more trucks ont he road is a **lot** of pollution.
