Yet another indication Joe is clueless.. I dont care so much about the pipeline workers, but I do care about the environment. Blocking pipelines means more pollution, and a hell of a lot of it. But Joe is either not smart enough to understand that or cares more about his image than doing good. No surprise.

@freemo Yet another point: Oil is getting stockpilled in big deposits in Cushing and Texas, they plan to sell it and burn it eventually.

@ArturoGoosnargh I doubt anyone would just burn off oil, they will just find ways to transport it by buying trucks (which is what the data shows they do).. if they truely were ever forced to just burn oil why dont they just stop pumping it instead?

@freemo Yeah, I'm for MOAR pipelines.

It was a pointmade for the pipeline. Removing the pipeline doesn't inhibit the production of oil that much, instead they just stockpile it for years. Eventually the CO2 impact will be the same.
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@ArturoGoosnargh Yea I get that, the point I am disagreeing with is that they will burn it, they wont.

What happens is they just stockpile it as they invest in trucks to haul it. Generally they quickly have more than enough trucks to be able to haul it away at a greater rate than it is produced. It almost never gets to the point where it sits around for very long.

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@ArturoGoosnargh They are, but less so than other sources. The number of trucks on the road hauling crude oil is enough to produce 10 million tons of CO2 a year in the USA alone. So clearly it is economical enough.

@freemo In any case I don't worry that much about CO2 emissions, we are going to need CO2 capture anyways at this point.

As a non-american I think that is OK for the US to be oil self-sufficient :)

My country(Spain) has oil and gas deposits but due to eco-politics we are not extracting a drop. Doesn't stop us from mining expensive and bad quality coal "cuz it many jobs depend on it"

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I'm not sure the fact taht things have gotten so bad that we will need CO2 capture to repair it is a justification to just keep spewing CO2.. the more we spew the more CO2 capture we will need to advert the worst case scenario and the less likely we will be able to provide those levels of capture.

So regardless of any need for CO2 capture it is still in our best interest to reduce CO2 emissions.

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