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@kravietz So there are a few days a year it might get too cold and they freeze up, or certain arctic regions they dont work... ok... your point? They are still fairly effective means of generating green energy, but they arent the whole of the solution.

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Wind and solar are one of the least effective sources of energy available, both in terms of their capacity factor, material inputs and surface power density.

Regarding what I wanted to say through these pictures:

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@kravietz I've done a lot of research on the numbers around these energy sources and none of that is remotely true other than surface power density which is a rather useless measure for most situations

@freemo

Surface power density "useless"? Come one... If you need to occupy 250x larger area to obtain the same amount of energy I think it's very relevant, and practically makes it useless in high-density areas.

Capacity factor "not remotely true"? Come on... PV peaks 13% in UK, wind 40% for off-shore.

So you not only occupy larger space for the actual generation, but then need to double that for low CF, and then tripe for storage.

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