I'm being told on Twitter that vaccines are safe, they are very angry with me, not joking:
https://twitter.com/MaggieEThornton/status/1380652509405003776

@Coyote you’re doing good work🤣 I’d join you but I’m permanently suspended from Twitter. Every time I open the app there is this big banner that says “Welcome Back” but I can’t tweet and they zero’d out my followers and followed accounts.

@madmike

It's just confronting fools with their own stupidity. When both had "PhD" next to their names, and can't support a single scientific claim, it mostly says our educational system is garbage. But we all knew that... 😂

@Coyote

Probably would help if next time you dont lead in with that hydrochloride stupidity. Yea there are legitimate concerns with the vaccines as they were rushed past the usual safety checks. But your other comments destroyed your credibility.

@madmike

@freemo @Coyote HCQ works and is safe and many many deaths would have been prevented if it were more widely used. There have been epidemiologists and virologists saying as much. They’ve been kicked off of Twitter and YouTube.

@madmike

Incorrect... while you can find epidemiologists and virologists that will believe just about any nonsense the overwhelming experimental evidence is that no, it is not effective and safe as a treatment for covid.

@Coyote

@freemo @madmike @Coyote of course it isn't. it's a preventative. the zinc and azithromycin are the components that treat and even those have to be administered prior to certain cutoffs.

@icedquinn

Not really, but sort of... there is evidence if given very early on in the infection with a cocktail of other things that it can slightly improve your chance of survival IF and only if, you have an extremely high risk of dying of COVID in the first place (have many comorbidities). However for a normal healthy person taking it in the early part of the disease or otherwise poses more of a risk of you dying from the treatment than from COVID itself.

For that reason it is completely useless as both a preventative and as a treatment however for seriously ill people who contract covid and likely to die from it it **may** give them a small fighting chance. I say may because there isnt enough evidence to support that and it is still being researched, though using it on the general public has already shown to not be a viable treatment.

@madmike @Coyote

@freemo @madmike @Coyote the research i saw showed it works significantly more than doing nothing and i saw a hell of a lot of motivated reasoning attacking it (ex. the lancet study what was retracted for being entirely fraudulent.)

if we want to be absurdly pedantic there is no evidence the vaccines work either. they aren't exposure tested.
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@icedquinn

Incorrect. Peer reviewed study:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/

Quoting study:

"Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality."

@madmike @Coyote

@icedquinn

Furthermore in other studies at higher doses there was found to be some minor positive effect on COVID recovery, however it caused significant increase in heart arrhythmia and overall the death rate went up not down as a result. For this reason it is absolutely not effective as a general treatment.

However, as I said, if you are at extremely high risk of death from COVID then it may be a viable treatment as the risk from COVID would therefore outweigh the risk of arrhythmia. But even then your chances of surviving in general arent good.

So yea, it isnt completely not effective at all, but it is not itself or in combination with other things, an effective treatment. There are many peer reviewed studies showing that at this point.

@madmike @Coyote

@freemo @icedquinn @madmike

"positive effect on COVID recovery" is meaningless. What's the test? PCR? Which by it's very nature destroys statistical significance of results?

We have no real test, we have treatments. Death rates are lower than last March. It's deadly, yes, but not as deadly. The only real data is the death rates, because "COVID" numbers are deeply manipulated, and weren't even reliable before they were distorted by the media.
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