I'm being told on Twitter that vaccines are safe, they are very angry with me, not joking:
https://twitter.com/MaggieEThornton/status/1380652509405003776

@Coyote you’re doing good work🤣 I’d join you but I’m permanently suspended from Twitter. Every time I open the app there is this big banner that says “Welcome Back” but I can’t tweet and they zero’d out my followers and followed accounts.

@madmike

It's just confronting fools with their own stupidity. When both had "PhD" next to their names, and can't support a single scientific claim, it mostly says our educational system is garbage. But we all knew that... 😂

@Coyote

Probably would help if next time you dont lead in with that hydrochloride stupidity. Yea there are legitimate concerns with the vaccines as they were rushed past the usual safety checks. But your other comments destroyed your credibility.

@madmike

@freemo @Coyote HCQ works and is safe and many many deaths would have been prevented if it were more widely used. There have been epidemiologists and virologists saying as much. They’ve been kicked off of Twitter and YouTube.

@madmike

Incorrect... while you can find epidemiologists and virologists that will believe just about any nonsense the overwhelming experimental evidence is that no, it is not effective and safe as a treatment for covid.

@Coyote

@freemo @madmike

I have about 450kbs, Just getting the browser to load to reply it’s challenging. Did not have a lot of research links on hand. Probably should keep a list.

@Coyote

Its not about the research links, I have read many on both side. Its the fact that you drew and incorrect conclusion about the medication as an effective general treatment, which it is not.

@madmike

@freemo

I disagree.

"Its not about the research links, I have read many on both side. Its the fact that you drew and incorrect conclusion about the medication as an effective general treatment, which it is not."

You have made two false assumptions.

First. That this is about treatment. It is not. It is about government, human experimentation, and harm.

Hydroxycloroquine being proven effective or not has no bearing on why it should be ban from use by the government of any country, now to the point malaria sufferers can not obtain treatment.

It is the governmental action I object to, not advocacy of the drugs effectiveness.

Second, the vaccine has shown to kill, in thousands. And, it's it's proponants who claim it's "safe" and you need to get it to be safe, that I strongly object to. It is, in fact, still an experimental drug. It has not shown to be "as safe" as hydroxycloroquine by comparison.

So my position is, denying one, an promoting the other as safe, is hypocritical. Because, it is.

It's not about which works. It's about which one the government, and the "experts" are promoting, and what lies they tell to promote it.

If it's safe, if it works, then get it approved, and have civil and criminal liability for it's effects. Promoting, and fucking "passports," and treating human rights differently to encourage the use of an experimental drug is unethical.


What's the first rule? Do no harm?

@Coyote Hydrochloride is not banned in the USA, the FDA revoked its emergency use for COVID but it is still very much allowed to be used for malaria.

I dont argue that the vaccine is an experimental drug, so that point is moot.

@freemo

Have you tried to get it? Because, there's like tons of Doctors taking to TicTok even arguing with pharmacists trying to get prescriptions filled.

It's a myth that it is "very much allowed."

It's OTC in many places in the world, but it's harder than ever to get here.

What's the moral justification for not allowing it OTC?

@Coyote I am well aware of the situation with hydrochloride. Yes it is hard to get, but not because its "banned" as you imply, but because of the sudden surge for doctors getting it trying to treat COVID rather than what it is actually used for. Even though the FDA withdrew its emergency use for COVID doctors can and still prescribe it which has caused a shortage. So not only are they killing their own patients faster but they are causing the people who actually need it to have trouble getting it due to the shortage.

@freemo

It has only been shown to kill patients faster in LATE STAGE, where it's somewhat mild normal risk to the heart is EXTREMELY higher.

@Coyote Wrong.. it has shown to kill patients at the dosage needed to have any statistical effect on COVID.. so either you take a low dose and it has no positive or negative effect and wont kill you but will do you no good, and cause people who really need the medicine not to get it. OR you take a high dose and while it has some minimal effect on COVID it kills you with a heart attack..

So again, it should NOT be used to treat COVID for the general population, period. You can argue that the vaccine is experimental too and shouldnt be on the market, I agree, but that is no excuse to start giving people a hydrochloride and killing them either.

@freemo @Coyote I don’t think we’re really arguing about HCQ anymore. Check your pocket for the other half of your red pill. There are 2 kinds of people. Those who still trust the “experts” and those who sprint furiously in the opposite direction. There won’t be agreement on this today and the only study that matters is the Lancet study because it exposed the bullshit shenanigans and political / media machinery behind the “science.”

@madmike

@Coyote

No hard feelings, I enjoy the debate, and I actually like to be corrected when I'm wrong. And, I believe I am off (a bit) on a few things here. But I still don't like the government telling me what I can eat, drink, wear on my face, or put in my body. So, anyway, thanks both...

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