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:: tens of thousands of people die of covid everyday::
COVID conspiracy theorists: Bah the numbers are made up, they just report anyone who dies for any reason as a covid death. Fake news!
:: one person who already had severe allergies and a heart condition dies from the COVID vaccine::
Also COVID conspiracy theorists: OMG see the vaccine is deadly an more dangerous than the virus, it is a legit threat and has a microchip in it!
@lain how so? people arent dying in large numbers from the vaccine (though there are fair criticisms of it all the same), so it really cant work in reverse.
If you just mean that the general public seems to underplay some of the vaccine concerns, then yes, I do agree. Bias is a bitch like that, both sides will underplay their own concerns. But its not exactly a symetrical thing when deaths from vaccine are a small fraction of that from COVID and it overall seems to largely save more lives than it costs by a huge margin.
Either way, here's a study of the vaccine situation in Israel and if it's worth to do it (for the masses) or not: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693
@lain Not exactly the same for an important reason though... quantity.
For anything that has any potential to kill anyone on any scale you will always find that the infirm will be the disperportionatly represented majority. It should be obvious why someone who is already sick is more likely to die of anything remotely possible of causing death than someone who is healthy.
It isnt about the fact that people with covid or people getting vaccines are more likely to die with pre-existing conditions. Its the fact that with COVID your hundreds of thousands of times more likely to die than from a vaccine.
In other words, throwing a fit because a very small number of people die with preexisting conditions is not equivalent to throwing a fit because huge numbers of people die, of whom a large proportion had preexisting conditions. Basically the odds of dying are so astronomically higher from covid than the vaccine that you cant compare the reactions to the two as being equivelant.
@lain I have been rather vocal that the vaccine is risky since it didnt pass long term safety trials. So I too agree that, for now, one should probably only get the vaccine if at high risk and wait another year or so to see how safe they turn out to be before jumping in.
That said everything ive seen till now clearly shows the vaccine is a much lower risk than the virus.. though some vaccines are safer than others (AZ has shown some nasty side effects so probably not a good first choice).
That said, I will review the study you posted when I get a chance and see if it changes my view on some of my statements.
Just to be clear, I support the vaccination of risk groups, but mass vaccinations of the whole population are a different thing.