@matrix Its almost like living in a society that treats you unfairly, makes it harder to be financially successful, and causes you to be likely to be born into a life of poverty might possibly influence a persons perpencity towards crime.... who wulda thunk.

@freemo @matrix So why don't you put your money where your mouth is and move to St. Louis or the Bronx?

@StroopWaffen

How would that be putting my money where my mouth is? You seem to be having a real hard time with reading comprehension or something, it almost sounds likeyou think I said (which I didnt) that blacks dont make up a large portion of those committing crime? In fact since the get go I admitted that they do.

Try reading things before you post, if you already are then read them twice because you seem to be having some difficulty absorbing what you read accurately.

@matrix

@freemo I think you should move to those neighborhoods, tell all the blacks what you posted here, and try to help them out. They'd love to have your help and embrace you with open arms. Why waste your time arguing with people online when you could effect real change on the ground?

@StroopWaffen While not specific to those neighboorhoods I already do volunteer in high-crime high-black neighborhoods. They have mostly embraced me with open arms as you suggest.

@freemo You know what then, I have to admit that's fair. At least you're consistent. I wonder, what is your outlook on the long term future of these neighborhoods? Do you think they are at all responsible for their position?

@StroopWaffen There are many factors. Black communities internally certainly have things they are doing that arent helping that should be addressed. There are also outside factors that need addressing. Then there are the historic ones. Despite what either side will tell you the problem is very complex and while racism towards blacks is an element it is far from the only element at play. A lot of things need to come together from a lot of angles to improve the conditions of any culture.

The future of black communities is uncertain honestly. Internally there are people trying to make positive change, and there are externally too. But the problem is reduced by politics and being politically correct to such an extreme degree that it becomes impossible to really carve out effective solutions, our hands are tied by politically correctness as well as a rejection of the problem even existing, and many other factors. It is hard to address the internal changes blacks need to made without being called a racist, for example, as if it is blaming them for the problem. But also whites tend to refuse to address the racism they impart because at the same time they feel like it is blamming them for the problem. So nothing gets done.

If we stopped arguing about who is to blame (which is all anyone did in this thread) and focus on how to solve the problem without regard to blame we could really make some progress. But society doesnt allow this and the direction its going is farther away from this state.

So... yea, things will probably get worse before they get better when it comes to racial issues.

@freemo @StroopWaffen
"It is hard to address the internal changes blacks need to made without being called a racist, for example, as if it is blaming them for the problem."

They could start by not murdering/robbing/harassing white people. Then they can move on to not killing/robbing/harassing each other, if they care.

@burner19bb

Sure, how about they stop murdering white people if white cops agree to stop suffocating blacks to death for non-violent victimless crimes? Cant have white cops choking a black dude for death, for up to 4 minutes after the dude already died and told he is dead STILL choking him, and then expect blacks to play along.

Works both ways, if you cant admit your contribution to the problem and commit to fixing it then you cant expect them to admit to their contribution or commit to fixing it. Luckily there are some people on both side who arent so naive and are trying to address both these things.

@StroopWaffen